Q: Which is the better card?

[Rook616]

Which is the better card...Widespread Ruins or Scapegoat? And why? All opinions are welcome.

[Dark Dante]

widespread, it kills a card, come on

[TheDiscarded]

Scapegoat. It's far more multi-purpose than "It kills a card, come on."

[Dark Dante]

well ok lets change that, depends on the deck.

in ine widespread is better, so yeah matter of opinion and the type of deck.

[ZaQ777]

I'm not even sure it is best to say that is depends on the deck. I think it's more true to say that it depends on the actual situation.

[Fsuswimming054]

im going to have to say scaoegoat for its universability play, you can defend, use as offense for a creature swap combo, and plus it can be activated anytime so its prone to cards like drop off

go with the scapegoat, it will serve more playability!

[Marzy]

Personally, I'd say Widespread Ruin.

You can make a case for Scapegoat. It gives you 4 shields, they're pretty versitile in Morph and tribute fodder (not for summons though), that sort of thing. But since Morph got Restricted, so did the major need for Goats. They're basically meat-shields now, and could just be delaying the inevitable. Dark Hole's return gave us another mass-kill engine and that pwns Goats pretty effectively, despite being Restricted itself. Goats is pretty strictly a combo card.

Widespread Ruin on the other hand makes a kill. It stops a monster and you don't have to worry about it again. It's not really as versitile, but it serves it's function without any real question in the matter (short of "Will it get Stromed?").

Scapegoats has a lot of questions and needs things geared towards it to be effective. You know what you're gonna get with Ruin, and you don't need to give it the kind of help Scapegoat demands.

[TheDiscarded]

1-for-1 < 4-for-1.

^On another note, a sibling just looked at that, and then beat me for sounding like an alien.

[ZaQ777]

1-for-1 < 4-for-1.

^On another note, a sibling just looked at that, and then beat me for sounding like an alien.

Calling Scapegoat an automatic 4 for 1 is somewhat ignorant. True, if you know what you're doing you can gain an advantage off it (not a +3 however), but most people just stall with it letting the tokens die in battle actually resulting in a 0 for 1.

[Marzy]

Scapegoat can be considered a 4 - 1, but the 4 in question do nothing on their own. Really, what's the point? Combo bait and meat shields, that's all they are.

[Wardog369]

That depends on the situation you are in and the deck you are running.

[Marzy]

Which is what make Goats combo bait. You can Swap them, you can Morph them, you can do all sorts of stuff. But, on their own, there's no point.

[User#27]

They are completely different cards with completely different uses. Comparing them is about as useful as comparing a rowboat and a bicycle as modes of transportation.

Further comparsions between 2 cards go in the single cards forum.

On topic: If you're short on removal and your deck is agressive go with widespread.

If you aren't and/or your deck comboes well with goats (uses non summon tribute costs, creature swaps etc) use goats.

Further note that goats is probably the best card in the game for M/T removal bait seeing as it is fully chainable and not dependant on your opponent for its activation conditions.

On a completely different topic: What brings Marzy to pojo? Assuming of course that this is Marzy of OB.

[Marzy]

On said unrelated note: It is, and I've been feeling nostalgic recently. So now I'm back at Pojo where it all began for me. Besides, being a staff member at OB is stressful (too much drama, too often) and I needed some time off. >.> So, y'know, more free time now.

And you should know by now that people will try to make comparisons between anything and everything. Next thing you know, they'll compare a penguin to a banana. o.O

[User#27]

I am aware but I feel it my civic duty to point out when a topic is based on a flawed premise. Needless to say I do alot of posting to little result.

I suppose you could potentially silp on the skin of a penguin. All that blood would make it pretty slick.

You could potentially cut a penguin in half and put ice cream in the middle but I wouldn't recomend it.

And I'm pretty sure monkeys don't have a particular taste for penguins.

Do enjoy yourself on pojo. Are you taking a break from posting on OB or just administrating?

[Marzy]

Just the administrating for a while. I haven't the will to leave it completely, even if I wanted to. =/

What'd I tell you about comparing a penguin to a banana? Sure, it was sarcastic, but it still happened. I'm a prophet I tell ya.

Heh, thanks for the welcome though.


So this isn't completely off topic, 'Goats is too combo based for my tastes. If you're not geared toward abusing it, it's a wasted effort normally. Maybe if we could use 2, I'd see it differently. Oh well

[Wildfire]

Scapegoats are dead, after Konami stabbed all their best little friends to death with their restricto-knife-o-doom they just became field cloggers that look cute and edible.

[PaladinX]

Widespread Ruin in a beatdown deck, besides you can replace Scapegoat for "Stray Lambs", can you not?

[User#27]

... no you really can't. Perhaps the most important aspect of scapegoat is its superiror chainability. The only reason it makes an effective stall tool what with the summoning restriction is that it can be activated on your opponent's turn, thus byapssing said restriction.

Lambs is inferior in pretty much every respect (save that you can tribute the tokens for a set or just normally on the next turn).

[Bunnyzilla]

run both, since they can both be very handy cards

[Roku]

Scapegoat. It can stall, while you get card advantage, and they can also be morphed, creature swapped, and other useful things... Like attacking a Reflect Bounder ^^

[Rook616]

Thanks to all for all the interesting comments. It has all been very enlightening. To clarify why I asked this question. A friend offered one of these two cards (my choice) as a trade for a card of mine. Since I have neither of these cards, I thought I'd ask for the opinion of some expert players. I guess since I'm an "Aggro" player, I should go with Widespread Ruin based on all the feedback. Sorry that I posted this question in the wrong forum. I will not make that mistake again. Thanks again for all the feedback!

[kEviN21]

I think scapegoats lost its usefullness lately...id go with widespread ruin...

scapegoat gives u 4 free tokens but it stalling doesnt rid u of that monster nor help u if u draw a cyber dragon/spirit reaper

[BLSoldier109]

Both they are both good and id say scapegoat only because it is limited for a reason and it can be played in any deck really, yes even swarm to a point(aka desperation), plus widespread has saku in front of it so it will not be good unless you already use 3 sakus which you might do
i use
3 saku
1 widespread
1 scapegoat

[Dark Dante]

well yeah goats have a lot of use, but it had a lot more use in the last list, and then u also got to consider if your top decking u just played goats and next turn u draw a cyber dragon, well those goats are now getting in your way so u can summon the cyber dragon yet, and all the time your waiting for the goats to go away your opponent is loading up his feild and gaining time to be able to counter that cyebr dragon u play after the goats are gone, but this right here coudl have been avoided if u ran ruin, then u would have had to wait liek 1 turn for themt o summon another mon and u ss the dragon given uu time to counter there whole action of killing the dragon.

so basicly like some other ppl were saying depends on the situation u are in, and how many cyber dragons u run, me for instance i run 3 dragons so i decked ruin over goats.

[Mayuga]

Widespread usually when played its 1 for 1, but with Scapegoat it is chainable, but usually its 1 for none, because the controller is protecting himself from a don, spirit or a hit.