Dark-Link's idea of a B/R List

[Dark-Link]

All can flame me as much as they want, since i'm headin off this comp in a sec anyway lol... But, before I go, I just wanted to post what I thought may be a (hopefully) revolutionary B/R list...

I. Forbidden Cards

You cannot use these cards in your Deck, Fusion Deck or Side Deck.


Black Luster Soldier - Envoy of the Beginning
Butterfly Dagger - Elma
Chaos Emperor Dragon - Envoy of the End
Dark Hole
Delinquent Duo
Fiber Jar
Graceful Charity
Harpie's Feather Duster
Imperial Order
Jinzo
Magical Scientist
Makyura the Destructor
Mirage of Nightmare
Monster Reborn
Painful Choice
Pot of Greed
Raigeki
Ring of Destruction
Sinister Serpent
Snatch Steal
The Forceful Sentry
Tribe-Infecting Virus
Witch of the Black Forest
Yata-Garasu

NEW! - Dark Hole, Jinzo, Snatch Steal



II. Limited Cards

You can ONLY use one of the following cards in the Deck, Fusion Deck & Side Deck combined.


Book of Moon
Book of Taiyou
Breaker the Magical Warrior
Call of the Haunted
Card Destruction
Ceasefire
Change of Heart
Confiscation
Cyber Jar
D. D. Assailant
D. D. Warrior Lady
D. D. Warrior
Dark Magician of Chaos
Deck Devastation Virus
Exchange of the Spirit
Exiled Force
Exodia the Forbidden One
Fissure
Hammer Shot
Heavy Storm
Horus the Black Flame Dragon Lv8
Injection Fairy Lily
Left Arm of the Forbidden One
Left Leg of the Forbidden One
Lightning Vortex
Mage Power
Magic Cylinder
Magician of Faith
Metamorphosis
Mirror Force
Morphing Jar
Mystical Space Typhoon
Night Assailant
Premature Burial
Protector of the Sanctuary
Reflect Bounder
Right Arm of the Forbidden One
Right Leg of the Forbidden One
Royal Decree
Sacred Phoenix of Nephthys
Sangan
Sakuretsu Armor
Scapegoat
Silent Swordsmen Lv7
Smashing Ground
Swords of Revealing Light
Thousand-Eyes Restrict
Torrential Tribute
Tsukuyomi
Twin-Headed Behemoth
United We Stand
Widespread Ruin

NEW! - Change of Heart, D.D. Assailant, D.D. Warrior, Fissure, Hammer Shot, Horus the Black Flame Dragon Lv8, Mirror Force, Royal Decree, Sakuretsu Armor, Silent Swordsmen Lv7, Smashing Ground, Widespread Ruin


III. Semi-Limited Cards

You can ONLY use two of the following cards in the Deck, Fusion Deck & Side Deck combined.


Abyss Soldier
Creature Swap
Cyber Dragon
Emergency Provisions
Good Goblin Housekeeping
Gravity Bind
Last Turn
Level Limit - Area B
Limiter Removal
Manticore of Darkness
Nobleman of Crossout
Reckless Greed
Reinforcement of the Army
Upstart Goblin

NEW! - Cyber Dragon, Limiter Removal, Nobleman of Crossout, Reckless Greed

Reason's
---------

Dark Hole - Obvious .. especially when your opponent is beating you down and you have no monsters...

Jinzo - a 2400 1 trib is good enough... but one that locks down every single trap? nuh uh....

Snatch Steal - Another Obvious one... it's too good.

The D.D.'s... too much removal, sheesh. not to mention DDA's and the DDWL alone basically say "i'm gonna beat you down, and then, when you can finally destroy me, i'm STILL taking you down with me!!"..

Change of Heart - The replacement for Snatch steal, and it's only for one turn.

Fissure, Smashing Ground, Hammer Shot, Sakuretsu Armor and Widespread Ruin - Restricting the 1 for 1's will give more insentive to build originality I think...

Horus Lv8 - He is literally too good, I mean, SS Lv7 is a watered down horus, by far.. I personally feel that SS Lv7 is what horus SHOULD have been!

Silent Lv7 - Well, if Horus does get restricted, guess where people will probably turn to for mass negation? ... exactly...

Mirror Force - More fair than Dark Hole,so Dark Hole goes on, Mirror Force comes off..

Royal Decree - Mass negation is never fair, especially when people (some , but at one time or another can be higher) run 2-3 of these... especially combined with either Horus or SS Lv7 (dunno why anyone would with 7, since you need traps to protect him....)

Cyber Dragon - it's fine at 2, and hey, for the ACTUAL cyber dragon deck's that want to bring out Cyber End... there's a monster who's name counts as cyber dragon next set, and not to mention there is also Fusion Subs!!

Limiter Removal - Machine's had good playability with this thing unrestricted, but it was TOO good unrestricted.. at least this way, it's right in the middle.

Nobleman of Crossout - I've noticed , that this thing was great at 2, and lost some playability at 1... so I personally think it should come back to 2....

Reckless Greed - at 2, it will replace the need for draw power...especially if you chain them together , you'll draw 4 card's, and only miss 2 draw phases...

[Upsidedownwurld]

It's a nice list. Well put tohether. Very logical. ;)

[Paladinseer007]

All can flame me as much as they want, since i'm headin off this comp in a sec anyway lol... But, before I go, I just wanted to post what I thought may be a (hopefully) revolutionary B/R list...

I. Forbidden Cards

You cannot use these cards in your Deck, Fusion Deck or Side Deck.


Black Luster Soldier - Envoy of the Beginning
Butterfly Dagger - Elma
Chaos Emperor Dragon - Envoy of the End
Dark Hole
Delinquent Duo
Fiber Jar
Graceful Charity
Harpie's Feather Duster
Imperial Order
Jinzo
Magical Scientist
Makyura the Destructor
Mirage of Nightmare
Monster Reborn
Painful Choice
Pot of Greed
Raigeki
Ring of Destruction
Sinister Serpent
Snatch Steal
The Forceful Sentry
Tribe-Infecting Virus
Witch of the Black Forest
Yata-Garasu

NEW! - Dark Hole, Jinzo, Snatch Steal



II. Limited Cards

You can ONLY use one of the following cards in the Deck, Fusion Deck & Side Deck combined.


Book of Moon
Book of Taiyou
Breaker the Magical Warrior
Call of the Haunted
Card Destruction
Ceasefire
Change of Heart
Confiscation
Cyber Jar
D. D. Assailant
D. D. Warrior Lady
D. D. Warrior
Dark Magician of Chaos
Deck Devastation Virus
Exchange of the Spirit
Exiled Force
Exodia the Forbidden One
Fissure
Hammer Shot
Heavy Storm
Horus the Black Flame Dragon Lv8
Injection Fairy Lily
Left Arm of the Forbidden One
Left Leg of the Forbidden One
Lightning Vortex
Mage Power
Magic Cylinder
Magician of Faith
Metamorphosis
Mirror Force
Morphing Jar
Mystical Space Typhoon
Night Assailant
Premature Burial
Protector of the Sanctuary
Reflect Bounder
Right Arm of the Forbidden One
Right Leg of the Forbidden One
Royal Decree
Sacred Phoenix of Nephthys
Sangan
Sakuretsu Armor
Scapegoat
Silent Swordsmen Lv7
Smashing Ground
Swords of Revealing Light
Thousand-Eyes Restrict
Torrential Tribute
Tsukuyomi
Twin-Headed Behemoth
United We Stand
Widespread Ruin

NEW! - Change of Heart, D.D. Assailant, D.D. Warrior, Fissure, Hammer Shot, Horus the Black Flame Dragon Lv8, Mirror Force, Royal Decree, Sakuretsu Armor, Silent Swordsmen Lv7, Smashing Ground, Widespread Ruin


III. Semi-Limited Cards

You can ONLY use two of the following cards in the Deck, Fusion Deck & Side Deck combined.


Abyss Soldier
Creature Swap
Cyber Dragon
Emergency Provisions
Good Goblin Housekeeping
Gravity Bind
Last Turn
Level Limit - Area B
Limiter Removal
Manticore of Darkness
Nobleman of Crossout
Reckless Greed
Reinforcement of the Army
Upstart Goblin

NEW! - Cyber Dragon, Limiter Removal, Nobleman of Crossout, Reckless Greed

Reason's
---------

Dark Hole - Obvious .. especially when your opponent is beating you down and you have no monsters...

Jinzo - a 2400 1 trib is good enough... but one that locks down every single trap? nuh uh....

Snatch Steal - Another Obvious one... it's too good.

The D.D.'s... too much removal, sheesh. not to mention DDA's and the DDWL alone basically say "i'm gonna beat you down, and then, when you can finally destroy me, i'm STILL taking you down with me!!"..

Change of Heart - The replacement for Snatch steal, and it's only for one turn.

Fissure, Smashing Ground, Hammer Shot, Sakuretsu Armor and Widespread Ruin - Restricting the 1 for 1's will give more insentive to build originality I think...

Horus Lv8 - He is literally too good, I mean, SS Lv7 is a watered down horus, by far.. I personally feel that SS Lv7 is what horus SHOULD have been!

Silent Lv7 - Well, if Horus does get restricted, guess where people will probably turn to for mass negation? ... exactly...

Mirror Force - More fair than Dark Hole,so Dark Hole goes on, Mirror Force comes off..

Royal Decree - Mass negation is never fair, especially when people (some , but at one time or another can be higher) run 2-3 of these... especially combined with either Horus or SS Lv7 (dunno why anyone would with 7, since you need traps to protect him....)

Cyber Dragon - it's fine at 2, and hey, for the ACTUAL cyber dragon deck's that want to bring out Cyber End... there's a monster who's name counts as cyber dragon next set, and not to mention there is also Fusion Subs!!

Limiter Removal - Machine's had good playability with this thing unrestricted, but it was TOO good unrestricted.. at least this way, it's right in the middle.

Nobleman of Crossout - I've noticed , that this thing was great at 2, and lost some playability at 1... so I personally think it should come back to 2....

Reckless Greed - at 2, it will replace the need for draw power...especially if you chain them together , you'll draw 4 card's, and only miss 2 draw phases...

One part of the list I do agree with you on is mirror force, good job. The other part of your list is BLS and pot of greed, which I disagree with you on.First of all, with pot of greed IT'S NOT LUCK OR GAMEWINNING OR GAMEBREAKING CARD!!! and yes it does give you two options by means of a 50/50% chance of what you need in a duel. BLS, now I've said this for a good long time, it's less of a threat than CED. Most people have said that BLS is more broken than CED, but can we say "instant win effect" hmm...I mean come on if CED did come off the list it wouldn't last a day off. More importantly CED is one of the reasons why the banlist was created in the first place.In short I believe that BLS does have a good chance to come off the upcoming list. :D

[King of Dragon]

Can't fusion sub Cyber Twin or Cyber End Dragon. With Cyber Laser and Barrier Dragons in the next set that needs Cyber Dragon as well. That kinda waters down the Cyber Dragon deck it will shine in and not do anything to CC decks that abuse it. Prototype Cyber Dragon is too weak to help as much as Cyber Dragon.

It's like limited E-Hero Wildman because its overused in a CC but, then kills off its purpose in an E-Hero deck. CC decks can replace a dropped Wildman or Cyber Dragon easily. E-Hero and Cyber Dragon decks can't.

[SuperJay]

It's like limited E-Hero Wildman because its overused in a CC but, then kills off its purpose in an E-Hero deck. CC decks can replace a dropped Wildman or Cyber Dragon easily. E-Hero and Cyber Dragon decks can't.


You hit the nail on the head~
This is the problem with the game.
Banning/limiting monsters that are usurped by CC decks hurts the theme decks they are meant to be in.

A spirit deck has 1 monster limited and 1 monster banned out of what? 12 avaialble spirit monsters because of abuse by CC decks.

Water decks lost Tribe due to CC abuse.

Spellcasters have 1 banned monster and 6 restricted monsters outside of exodia. All because of CC abuse.

This cycle will continue perpetually until KoJ and UDE fix the underlying problem of the game.

-SuperJay

[mech-hound]

Nice list overall but...

Horus Lv. 8
Jinzo

I don't agree.

[BlackFireDragonHorus]

Jinzo
Jinzo will not be banned
why?
Well, I think Konami didn't ban him because of the possible abuse of traps.
Traps
-powerful
-chainable(some)

Horus The Black Flame Dragon Lv8/Silent Swordsman Lv7

They are nomi. No duelist will put three nomi monsters or two in their deck.
If they do, it will be slow. Much more cards are prioritize than these cards(except, if it's Lv deck)

Snatch Steal will never be ban.
The status of being equip card is a reasonable thing for him to be not banned
Equip cards
-need the target to be face-up

Mirror Force
Uhmm, I think it is better ban.
Well, why? Mass destruction of opponent's monster by just one of their attack.

Change of Heart
Well, much broken than Snatch Steal.
Get one monster on the opponent's field, face-up or down, not good.

Sakuretsu Armour
No restriction. I think it is better to be un restricted. It is unchainable(other than to attcks) , weaker than Mirror Force.

That's all for opinion....

[topspin1617]

The only cards I agree with are Limiter Removal, Mirror Force, Sakuretsu Armor, Widespread, and Hammer Shot.

The rest don't belong where you put them.

[StealthoftheWest]

Ban Snatch Steal...but restrict Change of Heart.

Talk about taking one step forward and a giant leap backward.

[mech-hound]

Ban Snatch Steal...but restrict Change of Heart.

Talk about taking one step forward and a giant leap backward.

Change of Heart<<<<<<<<<<<Mind control

not even close to broken.

[Paladinseer007]

Jinzo
Jinzo will not be banned
why?
Well, I think Konami didn't ban him because of the possible abuse of traps.
Traps
-powerful
-chainable(some)

Horus The Black Flame Dragon Lv8/Silent Swordsman Lv7

They are nomi. No duelist will put three nomi monsters or two in their deck.
If they do, it will be slow. Much more cards are prioritize than these cards(except, if it's Lv deck)

Snatch Steal will never be ban.
The status of being equip card is a reasonable thing for him to be not banned
Equip cards
-need the target to be face-up

Mirror Force
Uhmm, I think it is better ban.
Well, why? Mass destruction of opponent's monster by just one of their attack.

Change of Heart
Well, much broken than Snatch Steal.
Get one monster on the opponent's field, face-up or down, not good.

Sakuretsu Armour
No restriction. I think it is better to be un restricted. It is unchainable(other than to attcks) , weaker than Mirror Force.

That's all for opinion....

I disagree with you about mirror force,why, because of the fact that after it was created their have been several counter traps to destroy that card, seven tools, trapjammer, etc. And with Sakuretsu, I find that card to be really ANNOYING!!! and because it's in multiples that is why I believe that card does stand to be pontentially abused in the long run. :D