Taker's Possible B/R list...

[taker]

Taker's best Guess at the next list...

Banned

Black Luster Soldier - Envoy of the Beginning
Butterfly Dagger - Elma
Change of Heart
Chaos Emperor Dragon - Envoy of the End
Confiscation
Dark Hole
Delinquent Duo
Fiber Jar
Graceful Charity
Harpie's Feather Duster
Heavy Storm
Imperial Order
Magical Scientist
Makyura the Destructor
Mirage of Nightmare
Mirror Force
Monster Reborn
Painful Choice
Pot of Greed
Raigeki
Ring of Destruction
Sinister Serpent
Tribe-Infecting Virus
United We Stand
Witch of the Black Forest
Yata-Garasu

Restricted
Book of Moon
Breaker the Magical Warrior
Call of the Haunted
Card Destruction
Ceasefire
Cyber Dragon
Cyber Jar
D.D. Assailant
D. D. Warrior Lady
Dark Magician of Chaos
Deck Devastation Virus
Exchange of the Spirit
Exiled Force
Exodia the Forbidden One
Heavy Storm
Injection Fairy Lily
Jinzo
Left Arm of the Forbidden One
Left Leg of the Forbidden One
Lightning Vortex
Limiter Removal
Magician of Faith
Mage Power
Magic Cylinder
Metamorphosis
Morphing Jar
Mystical Space Typhoon
Night Assailant
Nobleman of Crossout
Premature Burial
Protector of the Sanctuary
Reckless Greed
Reflect Bounder
Right Arm of the Forbidden One
Right Leg of the Forbidden One
Sacred Phoenix of Nephthys
Sakuretzu Armor
Sangan
Scapegoat
Snatch Steal
Swords of Revealing Light
The Forceful Sentry
Thousand-Eyes Restrict
Torrential Tribute
Tsukuyomi
Twin-Headed Behemoth

Limited
Bottomless Trap Hole
Creature Swap
Dust Tornado
Emergency Provisions
Good Goblin Housekeeping
Gravity Bind
Last Turn
Level Limit - Area B
Manticore of Darkness
Matazza the Zapper
Ojama Trio
Reinforcement of the Army
Smashing Grounds
Upstart Goblin

Screw Traditional Format, TF is only for wimps too afraid to play with the big bosy of Advanced. No offense, it's fact. Bold font is what is added.

Taken off stuff: Book of Taiyou (Mill and Exodia STILL aren't good), Abyss Soldier still isn't that good, even with Sinister Serpent, but since 1/2 the power is down, fixing where UDE Screwed up.

Random Thoughts: Wasn't sure if BTH was broken enough to be limit 1 per deck or 2 per deck. Haven't seen much more to complain about. Keep Torential only because ONE mass kill isn't that bad, I wanted to take off POG SO BAD, but seeing the newer releasing cards are taking down the 0 costing spells, there's not much to do agaisnt change, I'd still make POG 1 if I left it. Lily is once more (atleast in my area) making the difference between winning and losing, might toss her to 0 if this is true in other areas, I also kept ONE hand rip card so noone has a right to complain seeing it's balanced. For no cost return it and your opponent may yet redraw it, I find that a little more fair than Confiscation otherwise I think hand rip should be 100% gone in terms of spells. I left MOF at 1 seeing you still can get a free hand ripper, don't think she's ban worth in this list at first. Cyber Dragon is INCREDIBLY ABBUSIVE, TOO GOOD TO STAY at three per deck.

I wasn't sure about Don Zaloog and Spirit Reaper, although they are very good, I'm not sure if they would have a critical effect on this list or not. Although burn sadly SUCKS in YGO, I'm trying to give it a bump to be a contender w/o it being too good in this list. Again this ONLY my idea.

UPDATE: Okay I just find along with many people I know that Ojama Trio to be very disturbing, in all honestly it will probably never see a list, but then again wierder things do happen. I added smashing to 2 per deck since it is difficult to get around, it's no that extreamly broken running two like Last Turn for example. I thought about taking Upstart off completely since noone is ever REALLY willing to give their opponent 1000 LP for a card, but it would give Last Turn decks and UMPH and we all hate LT decks.

Got a thought? Give a thought. Need a thought? Take a thought.

[Kameiko]

Taker's best Guess at the next list...

Banned

Black Luster Soldier - Envoy of the Beginning
Butterfly Dagger - Elma
Change of Heart
Chaos Emperor Dragon - Envoy of the End
Confiscation
Dark Hole
Delinquent Duo
Fiber Jar
Graceful Charity
Harpie's Feather Duster
Heavy Storm
Imperial Order
Magical Scientist
Makyura the Destructor
Mirage of Nightmare
Mirror Force
Monster Reborn
Painful Choice
Pot of Greed
Raigeki
Ring of Destruction
Sinister Serpent
Tribe-Infecting Virus
United We Stand
Witch of the Black Forest
Yata-Garasu

Restricted
Book of Moon
Breaker the Magical Warrior
Call of the Haunted
Card Destruction
Ceasefire
Cyber Jar
D.D. Assailant
D. D. Warrior Lady
Dark Magician of Chaos
Deck Devastation Virus
Exchange of the Spirit
Exiled Force
Exodia the Forbidden One
Heavy Storm
Injection Fairy Lily
Jinzo
Left Arm of the Forbidden One
Left Leg of the Forbidden One
Lightning Vortex
Limiter Removal
Magician of Faith
Mage Power
Magic Cylinder
Metamorphosis
Morphing Jar
Mystical Space Typhoon
Night Assailant
Nobleman of Crossout
Premature Burial
Protector of the Sanctuary
Reckless Greed
Reflect Bounder
Right Arm of the Forbidden One
Right Leg of the Forbidden One
Sacred Phoenix of Nephthys
Sakuretzu Armor
Sangan
Scapegoat
Snatch Steal
Swords of Revealing Light
The Forceful Sentry
Thousand-Eyes Restrict
Torrential Tribute
Tsukuyomi
Twin-Headed Behemoth

Limited
Bottomless Trap Hole
Creature Swap
Dust Tornado
Emergency Provisions
Good Goblin Housekeeping
Gravity Bind
Last Turn
Level Limit - Area B
Manticore of Darkness
Matazza the Zapper
Ojama Trio
Reinforcement of the Army
Upstart Goblin

Screw Traditional Format, TF is only for wimps too afraid to play with the big bosy of Advanced. No offense, it's fact. Bold font is what is added.

Taken off stuff: Book of Taiyou (Mill and Exodia STILL aren't good), Magician of Faith (What EXACTY DO YOU GET BACK?) Abyss Soldier still isn't that good, even with Sinister Serpent, but since 1/2 the power is down, fixing where UDE Screwed up.

Random Thoughts: Wasn't sure if BTH was broken enough to be limit 1 per deck or 2 per deck. Haven't seen much more to complain about. Keep Torential only because ONE mass kill isn't that bad, I wanted to take off POG SO BAD, but seeing the newer releasing cards are taking down the 0 costing spells, there's not much to do agaisnt change, I'd still make POG 1 if I left it. Lily is once more (atleast in my area) making the difference between winning and losing, might toss her to 0 if this is true in other areas, I also kept ONE hand rip card so noone has a right to complain seeing it's balanced. For no cost return it and your opponent may yet redraw it, I find that a little more fair than Confiscation otherwise I think hand rip should be 100% gone in terms of spells. I left MOF at 1 seeing you still can get a free hand ripper, don't think she's ban worth in this list at first.

I wasn't sure about Don Zaloog and Spirit Reaper, although they are very good, I'm not sure if they would have a critical effect on this list or not. Although burn sadly SUCKS in YGO, I'm trying to give it a bump to be a contender w/o it being too good in this list. Again this ONLY my idea.

Got a thought? Give a thought. Need a thought? Take a thought.

Banned

Black Luster Soldier - Envoy of the Beginning
Butterfly Dagger - Elma
Change of Heart
Chaos Emperor Dragon - Envoy of the End
Confiscation
Dark Hole
Delinquent Duo
Fiber Jar
Graceful Charity
Harpie's Feather Duster
Heavy Storm
Imperial Order
Magical Scientist
Makyura the Destructor
Mirage of Nightmare
Mirror Force
Monster Reborn
Painful Choice
Pot of Greed
Raigeki
Ring of Destruction
Sinister Serpent
Tribe-Infecting Virus
United We Stand
Witch of the Black Forest
Yata-Garasu


United We Stand was on the first banned list that came out, but that list didnt last very long. Back when UWS came out is was powerful, but now there are better cards then UWS, because of all the mass removals and negations and what not, there's hardly any room for powerups unless your basing a deck around them like Ben Kai or Cyber Dragon.

Everythign Else is fine.

Restricted
Book of Moon
Breaker the Magical Warrior
Call of the Haunted
Card Destruction
Ceasefire
Cyber Jar
D.D. Assailant
D. D. Warrior Lady
Dark Magician of Chaos
Deck Devastation Virus
Exchange of the Spirit
Exiled Force
Exodia the Forbidden One
Heavy Storm
Injection Fairy Lily
Jinzo
Left Arm of the Forbidden One
Left Leg of the Forbidden One
Lightning Vortex
Limiter Removal
Magician of Faith
Mage Power
Magic Cylinder
Metamorphosis
Morphing Jar
Mystical Space Typhoon
Night Assailant
Nobleman of Crossout
Premature Burial
Protector of the Sanctuary
Reckless Greed
Reflect Bounder
Right Arm of the Forbidden One
Right Leg of the Forbidden One
Sacred Phoenix of Nephthys
Sakuretzu Armor
Sangan
Scapegoat
Snatch Steal
Swords of Revealing Light
The Forceful Sentry
Thousand-Eyes Restrict
Torrential Tribute
Tsukuyomi
Twin-Headed Behemoth


Good

Limited
Bottomless Trap Hole
Creature Swap
Dust Tornado
Emergency Provisions
Good Goblin Housekeeping
Gravity Bind
Last Turn
Level Limit - Area B
Manticore of Darkness
Matazza the Zapper
Ojama Trio
Reinforcement of the Army
Upstart Goblin


Mataza? I don't know. He's good in a warrior deck and thats about it, but if you want to run hard core aggressive then why not, but still I doubt he's worth limiting.

Good on everything else.

[King of Dragon]

I don't quite get the Ojama Trio part on this list. Its nice but, doesn't really change too much in the game. I don't have to adjust any deck I have much except for the proxies of CC decks I test my decks with.

I believe Heavy Storm should stay until there is a replacement for it.

[taker]

United We Stand was on the first banned list that came out, but that list didnt last very long. Back when UWS came out is was powerful, but now there are better cards then UWS, because of all the mass removals and negations and what not, there's hardly any room for powerups unless your basing a deck around them like Ben Kai or Cyber Dragon.

Everythign Else is fine.

Good

Mataza? I don't know. He's good in a warrior deck and thats about it, but if you want to run hard core aggressive then why not, but still I doubt he's worth limiting.

Good on everything else.

Dude 1600 is ALOT of points for just having TWO MONSTERS and w/e monster its equipped to gets more and more ridiculous in terms of power, it's too good to remain. How is it NOT broken? Yes I'm very aware of Ben Kai FTK. Mataza is semi because of his double striking with equips, however that is hasting seeing he usually gets a UWS, I just pulled a Konami :( But I'll see how this list goes over first, however I just remembered Axe of Despair and that's not really a broken equip card. Cyber Dragon will me added to one per deck in a few.

I don't quite get the Ojama Trio part on this list. Its nice but, doesn't really change too much in the game. I don't have to adjust any deck I have much except for the proxies of CC decks I test my decks with.

I believe Heavy Storm should stay until there is a replacement for it.

I have Ojama as two because of the fact that with Gaku Giru Panda you receive a bunch of damage, and Heavy Storm is hurting even as it being one per deck, I think Phoenix was supposed to be the new HS, but I could be mistaken.

[King of Dragon]

The only card close to Heavy Storm is a trap in the Marik deck that was never released here. I might have to check this effect but it should be right.

Unholy Calamity
Normal Trap
When your opponent declares an attack. Destroy all magic and trap cards on the field.

[Paladinseer007]

Yeah, this banlist sucks because if this list did actually came the end result would be a whole lot people either quitting or stop playing the game. :D

[taker]

Yeah, this banlist sucks because if this list did actually came the end result would be a whole lot people either quitting or stop playing the game. :D

KOD: Yeah that sounds pretty good, I mean trap sure but it's okay since it MUST have an attack and not every deck attacks.

Paladinseer007: How is this worst? THe current one is MUCH worst, this would force people to get better like every list or enjoy never going anywhere with Traditional. You're a fool.

[King of Dragon]

One very important thing Cyber Dragon is not worth being Semi or limited. It only becomes a serious problem if you let it run through your defenses.

[Paladinseer007]

KOD: Yeah that sounds pretty good, I mean trap sure but it's okay since it MUST have an attack and not every deck attacks.

Paladinseer007: How is this worst? THe current one is MUCH worst, this would force people to get better like every list or enjoy never going anywhere with Traditional. You're a fool.

Okay, yeah I will admit that this list does suck, more to the point we control our destinies in life somethings in our lives our predetermined but it is up to us to make the rest happen for ourselves. :)

[SInge]

Instead of Sakuretzu Armor, restrict Smashing Grounds.

SA requires a turn to be set and an attack to be used.

Smashing Grounds just kills the monster with the highest defense (strongest monster) face up on the field without any cost.

[Kensh0rz]

Yay, another person who cannot grasp that banning 1-for-1 removal will in turn remove balance from the game!

The fact you felt a compulsion to semi-restrict Ojama Trio proves this basis has little to no basis in reality and is instead simply someone offing everything they don't like.

So much Beatdown love with this list. Although, in fairness, plenty of Burn love too.

All it hates on is creativity. Win-win, eh?

[taker]

One very important thing Cyber Dragon is not worth being Semi or limited. It only becomes a serious problem if you let it run through your defenses.

I don't know a single person who plays with any creatures that are 4 stars or less to have 2000+ Defense like Battle Footballer. Those creatures are so incredibly strong unless a stall deck has a Gravity Bind laying in wait.

Okay, yeah I will admit that this list does suck, more to the point we control our destinies in life somethings in our lives our predetermined but it is up to us to make the rest happen for ourselves. :)

Is that a reference to my signature?

Instead of Sakuretzu Armor, restrict Smashing Grounds.

SA requires a turn to be set and an attack to be used.

Smashing Grounds just kills the monster with the highest defense (strongest monster) face up on the field without any cost.

Yeah Sak and Smash are incredibly strong, I forgot about SG.

Yay, another person who cannot grasp that banning 1-for-1 removal will in turn remove balance from the game!

The fact you felt a compulsion to semi-restrict Ojama Trio proves this basis has little to no basis in reality and is instead simply someone offing everything they don't like.

So much Beatdown love with this list. Although, in fairness, plenty of Burn love too.

All it hates on is creativity. Win-win, eh?

I have absolutely no idea as to why they would ever have a 2 per deck list. Every game ever has had a 0, 1 or 4/3 per deck rule except for Inuyasha and I think Epic Battles, but outside those games there's no reason to have but I may as well keep it real. I would take off POG like I said but it's a no cost card and yeah it would help Exodia decks so much.

[King of Dragon]

I don't know a single person who plays with any creatures that are 4 stars or less to have 2000+ Defense like Battle Footballer. Those creatures are so incredibly strong unless a stall deck has a Gravity Bind laying in wait.

The defenses I am talking about are S/T cards and effect monsters. Cyber Dragon on the field is just a 2100 monster. Also you don't even need a high defense monster to handle it. Spirit Reaper won't go anywhere. Ojama Trio will keep it from being summoned and clogs their field. Also a lot of people only use 1 or 2. Some of the decks with 3 are using it as their theme.

[Hellokitty]

wtf i think your take on it fails quiet bad

lets see we lose confi but gain forceful

hmm forceful is free and returns as to confi which could be bad esp if they prema a the monster u choose

also with a loss of heavy storm Burn decks would be like =// so i dont think UDE are that dumb to make that on the list unless they give us back Harpies or put MSt back at 2's

i could rant for another 5 paragraphs but i cbf

i think u should do some more thinking on this before u make ne more lame / lamer posts

[taker]

The defenses I am talking about are S/T cards and effect monsters. Cyber Dragon on the field is just a 2100 monster. Also you don't even need a high defense monster to handle it. Spirit Reaper won't go anywhere. Ojama Trio will keep it from being summoned and clogs their field. Also a lot of people only use 1 or 2. Some of the decks with 3 are using it as their theme.

I see people running beat who use three, using three may be a waste but it also increases your chance of drawing it. I also haven't seen people (Haven't looked at Shoen Decks in a while) use Spirit Reapers at all, even so they quickly get knocked out by Smashing Grounds or Fissure (which is suprising getting play for Mystic lvl 2 and Lily). The only decks that effeciently use Ojama are Burn decks, and even so it they're not restricted I garantee untill they are resticted ever deck will be running 2/3 copies for a VERY VERY long time.

wtf i think your take on it fails quiet bad

lets see we lose confi but gain forceful

hmm forceful is free and returns as to confi which could be bad esp if they prema a the monster u choose

also with a loss of heavy storm Burn decks would be like =// so i dont think UDE are that dumb to make that on the list unless they give us back Harpies or put MSt back at 2's

i could rant for another 5 paragraphs but i cbf

i think u should do some more thinking on this before u make ne more lame / lamer posts

God what is it with you Australians? Why do you always go around with a stick up your asses and think you've got to be more macho than everyone and turn everything into a flaming cesspool? SERIOUSLY.

As for your post...

The Forceful Sentry is clearly a MUCH better card seeing that one does have to lose a valuable 1000 LP for one card, and your opponent does have a slight chance of redrawing the card and it gives them a shuffle, an all around balanced card IMO. Okay sure Burn would get big for a while but there's still Dust Tornado's, Mobius the Frost Monarch, Phoneix, Magic Jammer, Magic Drain and Spell Canceller around to give Burn its run. Besides when has Burn ever won a Regional or a Shoen Jump? Seriously, Yu-Gi-Oh! makes burn horribly priced with thins like Tremendus Fire, Lava Golem, Nightmare Wheel, etc. they give all the beat/control cards little to no cost yet burn cards are damn near impossible! Besides face the fact: HARPIES FEATHER DUSTER WILL NEVER LEAVE LIMIT 0 PER DECK.