B LuStEr S EnVoY Of tHe BeGiNiNg

[286rgj2]

Does anyone think the Black Luster soilder envoy of the begining is going to come off the band list :confused:

[Paladinseer007]

I believe that it should, like I said for a while, BLS is less of a threat than CED.More to the point, what would people rather face something less threatening such as BLS, or something that is a ticking time bomb like CED. :D

[B.A. Baracus]

maybe, maybe not. Depends who's smart on the konami side.

[Paladinseer007]

maybe, maybe not. Depends who's smart on the konami side.

Well that is also true, depending on what konami does, but I still say that it is less of a threat than CED. :D

[mech-hound]

BLS is more of a threat than CED. All CED does is even out the field black luster swings it heavily in the controllers favor. It's at least a 2-1 and can be a whole lot more...then there are the exceeding large amounts of damage it deals. BLS is the most broken card ever printed may it linger forever in the nether world that is the banned list.

[Makuku]

No it shouldn't come off. There's no reason for it to.

[Paladinseer007]

No it shouldn't come off. There's no reason for it to.

Okay, so I guess there is better reason for CED to come off the list than.I mean even though most know for a fact that CED wouldn't last a day off the banlist.I mean CED and yata were the two main reasons for the idea of the banlist. And more importantly BLS would last longer off the banlist rather than CED would. :D

[Paladinseer007]

BLS is more of a threat than CED. All CED does is even out the field black luster swings it heavily in the controllers favor. It's at least a 2-1 and can be a whole lot more...then there are the exceeding large amounts of damage it deals. BLS is the most broken card ever printed may it linger forever in the nether world that is the banned list.

Okay first of all, I got your point and all, but I do disagree with it because what it sounds like to me that your saying CED isn't a threat to this game.And need I remind you of that CED is still one of the reasons why we have a banlist today. Do you see where I'm starting to go with this here.

[CHaOsYaTa]

No it shouldn't come off. There's no reason for it to.
ditto.......

[Vampman]

Die BLS-EOTB

[King Zulu]

No BlAcKLuStEr SoLdIeR ShOuLd NoT CoMe OfF. It MuSt DiE!111! 0_0 That took my 5 mins to type. =\

[Mage Master]

No it shouldn't come off. There's no reason for it to.
I completely agree with you.

[B.A. Baracus]

Well that is also true, depending on what konami does, but I still say that it is less of a threat than CED. :D

whatever floats your boat.

[Indignation]

BLS is more of a threat than CED. All CED does is even out the field black luster swings it heavily in the controllers favor. It's at least a 2-1 and can be a whole lot more...then there are the exceeding large amounts of damage it deals. BLS is the most broken card ever printed may it linger forever in the nether world that is the banned list.

CED in topdeck can be a massive #-1. CED has MUCH more potential to end games than BLS. Do not even compare them. Your logic is flawed. BLS is vulnerable to Sakurestu and all those other things. It can be snatched if you do not win with it. It can be stalled. CED (if used properly) will just take all that hard work your opponent put in for advantage a shove it in his face with major damage. And while your at it with CED you can search out something like DDWL, Don reaper etc, with sangan just to put in that little bit of more damage to cripple your opponent even more.

BLS or CED should not come off the list because they both are a major unbalance to the game.

[Black Paladin]

I say BLS should settle down, buy some property on the banned list, and stay there

If it comes off, then there will be a sea of whining, which no one really needs

[Paladinseer007]

I say BLS should settle down, buy some property on the banned list, and stay there

If it comes off, then there will be a sea of whining, which no one really needs

You don't know for a fact that will happen to BLS, more importantly there is a possibility that it could come off the list. :D

[Indignation]

It won't come off. Just look at the SJ San Francisco decks. Like they are mostly chaos. Chaos sorcerer might get restricted if it keeps going on like this. I really do not think they would bring BLS back if his watered down counterpart is causing this much trouble already.

[Paladinseer007]

It won't come off. Just look at the SJ San Francisco decks. Like they are mostly chaos. Chaos sorcerer might get restricted if it keeps going on like this. I really do not think they would bring BLS back if his watered down counterpart is causing this much trouble already.

First of all, let me say this for one you don't know if it would come off the list, because I believe there is a possibility that it could come off the list. :D

[Indignation]

Wow. That was the dumbest response I have ever heard. You didn't even back it up with anything. You can at least put up an arguement about it lol.

[Paladinseer007]

Wow. That was the dumbest response I have ever heard. You didn't even back it up with anything. You can at least put up an arguement about it lol.

First of all, if you want an arguement let me say this then, BLS is less of a threat than CED is. More Importantly, the reason why the banlist was created in the first place was because of CED and yata. And in addition to that fact people who used that card before it got banned relied on that card to win their duels. :mad:

[Indignation]

First of all, if you want an arguement let me say this then, BLS is less of a threat than CED is. More Importantly, the reason why the banlist was created in the first place was because of CED and yata. And in addition to that fact people who used that card before it got banned relied on that card to win their duels. :mad:
Good good. Now thats a post.

Yes BLS is less of a threat than CED but he is still a big threat. The ban list was created to even out the game from cards that unbalanced it. People did rely on yata and CED to win their duels. But do you remember last ban list? BLS was the card everyone was mostly relying on to win. In the end BLS is still too powerfull and should stay banned.

[L2theZ]

I think it should come back.

[Paladinseer007]

I think it should come back.

Thank you, for your support on this matter. :D

[Indignation]

Thank you, for your support on this matter. :D
Why do you think it should come back?

[Daedalus]

i can see it coming off. it probably will in a year (the next list or the one in october), but i dont know how everyone will like it. i wanted BLS to stay off the list, until now. i like not being scared of the 2 chaos monsters, even though i can handle it most times.

[themexican]

bls will never come back and ced theres no way in this country they will cpme back upper deck does this so thyw spend money on such good cards then they banned like makyura if u would use that cards right now that card will be loved and in my own opinion the banned cards r there for a reason it makes ppl rely on skills not cards

[plumaglob63]

it deffiently shouldnt come off

[Paladinseer007]

it deffiently shouldnt come off

I agree with what you are saying about BLS.

[SaintDragon7777]

I dont ever want to see it in advance format ever again.

[Paladinseer007]

I dont ever want to see it in advance format ever again.

Well all right, that's your prospective on the matter, but you do know that there maybe a possibility that it could come off the list, that's all I'm saying.

[Paladinseer007]

Why do you think it should come back?

Coming back to my point about it not being a threat, for CED it wouldn't be out for long because a person goes for the win by using his effect.And which the end result would be in only one turn, destroying their opponent's cards on the field and whatever failsafes they had. But with BLS on the other hand using his attack twice effect would take a person in one to two turns to finish their opponent off.My final thought from me to you is this, would you want to face something that would destroy you in one turn in a duel meaning CED, or would you face a card that you could stall against meaning BLS. Now from what I stated here does that make sense to anyone? :)

[sushi magician]

If anyone in their right mind had to choose, they would most prolly prefer BLS-EotB(remember kids there is another BLS) off and CED-EotE still on the list. If u can prepare so u don't topdeck while your opp does like with Sangan or Will, the Emperor is far more painful then the Soldier.

At least Soldier stays around to get its ass handed to it next turn. Summon Soldier and then its BTH, woohoo it removed 1 monster and if it tried attacking, sak takes it out. The Dragon can not be stopped from gaining its full effectiveness short of negating it and prevention can't last long.

Seriously taking an Envoy off the list? Did someone here happen to be on the jury that let OJ of the hook? They both deserve to stay on the list. Soldier just had the excuse, 'hey at least i don't yata lock', but that was never gonna last long. I'd rather run the ritual BLS.

[L2theZ]

To the person who wasnted to know why I wnated it to come back.

I want BLS back becasue he would add some aspect of skill back to the game.

[Rudoku]

BLS is the most broken card ever printed may it linger forever in the nether world that is the banned list.
I was with you until you posted that. The way you guys talk, you'd think Pot of Greed was the most broken.

[Indignation]

Coming back to my point about it not being a threat, for CED it wouldn't be out for long because a person goes for the win by using his effect.And which the end result would be in only one turn, destroying their opponent's cards on the field and whatever failsafes they had. But with BLS on the other hand using his attack twice effect would take a person in one to two turns to finish their opponent off.My final thought from me to you is this, would you want to face something that would destroy you in one turn in a duel meaning CED, or would you face a card that you could stall against meaning BLS. Now from what I stated here does that make sense to anyone? :)
Nice to see the happy face back lol.
To answer your question. How about not having CED or BLS unbanned? If you would rather one over the other BLS would be the obvious choice because he is more vulnerable than CED but BLS and CED are still both broken and neither of them should come back.
To the person who wasnted to know why I wnated it to come back.

I want BLS back becasue he would add some aspect of skill back to the game.

If you think bringing BLS back would bring skill back in the game then you are wrong. There is skill in the game. If we brought BLS back it would be no different exept that everyone would take out 1 chaos sorcerer and replace it with BLS and use the same chaos decks that are in the SJC San Francisco top 8.

[L2theZ]

Nice to see the happy face back lol.
To answer your question. How about not having CED or BLS unbanned? If you would rather one over the other BLS would be the obvious choice because he is more vulnerable than CED but BLS and CED are still both broken and neither of them should come back.

"To the person who wasnted to know why I wnated it to come back.

I want BLS back becasue he would add some aspect of skill back to the game."

If you think bringing BLS back would bring skill back in the game then you are wrong. There is skill in the game. If we brought BLS back it would be no different exept that everyone would take out 1 chaos sorcerer and replace it with BLS and use the same chaos decks that are in the SJC San Francisco top 8.

Ok let me rephrase that, there would be another way for the better players to generate advantage and keep from getting lucksacked in this god forsaken format.

[Indignation]

Ok let me rephrase that, there would be another way for the better players to generate advantage and keep from getting lucksacked in this god forsaken format.
You do remember the mass complaints of being lucksacked last format right? So you would rather have every deck in SJC and regionals be all chaos decks again? Players actually have to think about how they are going generate advantage in this format.

[drizzztdourden]

BLS is more of a threat than CED. All CED does is even out the field black luster swings it heavily in the controllers favor. It's at least a 2-1 and can be a whole lot more...then there are the exceeding large amounts of damage it deals. BLS is the most broken card ever printed may it linger forever in the nether world that is the banned list.

CED can't be used against u

[corbomb]

No let it stay there where it belongs!

[mech-hound]

Okay first of all, I got your point and all, but I do disagree with it because what it sounds like to me that your saying CED isn't a threat to this game.And need I remind you of that CED is still one of the reasons why we have a banlist today. Do you see where I'm starting to go with this here.

Yeah I know CED is broken, and the GOD of lucky topdecks. I just wanted to mention I think BLS is worse.

[mech-hound]

CED in topdeck can be a massive #-1. CED has MUCH more potential to end games than BLS. Do not even compare them. Your logic is flawed. BLS is vulnerable to Sakurestu and all those other things. It can be snatched if you do not win with it. It can be stalled. CED (if used properly) will just take all that hard work your opponent put in for advantage a shove it in his face with major damage. And while your at it with CED you can search out something like DDWL, Don reaper etc, with sangan just to put in that little bit of more damage to cripple your opponent even more.

BLS or CED should not come off the list because they both are a major unbalance to the game.

CEd requiores you to be losing in advantage. ITs only better in burn.

[Indignation]

If you remember most of the top decks in nationals(before ban list) and stuff you would notice that some didn't even use BLS just CED. CED doesn't even need to be in burn. Look if you had the same chaos deck with BLS and the same with CED which do you think would win?

[Paladinseer007]

If you remember most of the top decks in nationals(before ban list) and stuff you would notice that some didn't even use BLS just CED. CED doesn't even need to be in burn. Look if you had the same chaos deck with BLS and the same with CED which do you think would win?

Let see here, I believe that CED would win, like I said before that CED is a threat much more worse than BLS, and I know what people have said that it is the other way around, but they need to take a look at the past then they'll see what I mean. :D

[L2theZ]

You do remember the mass complaints of being lucksacked last format right? So you would rather have every deck in SJC and regionals be all chaos decks again? Players actually have to think about how they are going generate advantage in this format.

You do remember we've heard complaints about being lucksacked in every format, but last format WAS more skilled than this one.

[mrexodia]

I believe that it should, like I said for a while, BLS is less of a threat than CED.More to the point, what would people rather face something less threatening such as BLS, or something that is a ticking time bomb like CED. :D

I'd rather not face either of them at all

[Indignation]

You do remember we've heard complaints about being lucksacked in every format, but last format WAS more skilled than this one.
Last format every nooB and their grandmother were using and abusing the trinity to the fullest extent. Even when used stupidly they still had much better chance at winning.

Being Sarcastic throughout post.
I start off by playing pot then graceful and then DDuo. Wow I just crippled my opponent and used a lot of skill. Now he has to work twice as hard to beat me and use skill. Oh wait my luck and my skill together beat him. Why? We could be equally skilled and I just lucksacked and beat him down before his turn started. Now I have a BLS and heavy storm in my hand ready for my opponents last attempt at a comeback.

Wow skill was so much involved that everyone used the same deck and mostly luck showed where the game was going instead of skill. The format should rely much more on skill than luck. Broken cards promote luck to the fullest. Whoever gets the more broken cards first has a better chance of winning.

If this format didn't have skill we wouldn't be seeing different decks every SJC. As I remember last format we saw one or two Burn decks and a few cyber mills and that was about it. At least now we have chaos-aggro , aggro, FFC, FFC-chaos, Bazoo FTK, Soul control, Burn and probably some more coming up.

[Tails9095]

Does anyone think the Black Luster soilder envoy of the begining is going to come off the band list :confused:
No! That card is a way to much of a game changer X_X If you think about it the banned list is trying to do the opposite of the show where you now can't come back and win at the last moment... think about it...

[Indignation]

No! That card is a way to much of a game changer X_X If you think about it the banned list is trying to do the opposite of the show where you now can't come back and win at the last moment... think about it...

Exactly. They want us to create our own advantage and when we actually get it they do not want the opponent taking it away with one broken card that was topdecked. Then when they lose they go to their well made side deck and then go and try again.

[Nyan_Nyanfan22]

BLS should stay on the banned list, as should his brother CED. They are too unbalanced. CS is a more restricted card, that takes some thought to use. For those people that are begging for BLS to come back, there are a whole boat load of other cards out in the game. Try something new.

[buncxs_2]

i tink black luster soldier will limit to remove one monster and thats all, in this format there are so much 1-1 removal sakuretsus widespread smashings, black luster is powerfull but with the increment of traps 10, 11 he isn`t broken as the last format.
but then if you are topdecking and your oponent has one monster just say donie
youre oponent is in trouble ahahaahaahhah

[Paladinseer007]

BLS should stay on the banned list, as should his brother CED. They are too unbalanced. CS is a more restricted card, that takes some thought to use. For those people that are begging for BLS to come back, there are a whole boat load of other cards out in the game. Try something new.

I disagree with that, BLS isn't as much of a threat as you think, why I believe people need to take a look at the actual threat of this game. And that is CED, I mean take a good look at it's effect can we say "Easy Win". While with BLS you would have to work at it to achieve a win in a duel.Come on people, what would you want to face in a duel CED which is still and always going to be a threat or BLS who is less of a threat? :D

[midget dragon]

BLS should stay where he is. He probably will too. Notice no-one complaining about one single card anymore? Also when you were playing against BLS, did they ever put him in defence and start removing like a madman? That's happened to me more times than I have fingers and toes combine. Also: At a regional, I had my opponent, no hand, 3rd game, low life, late game and what does he topdeck but BLS!!! I lost that game because of him.

Overall: NO HE SHOULD NEVER EVER COME BACK!

[King Zulu]

I disagree with that, BLS isn't as much of a threat as you think, why I believe people need to take a look at the actual threat of this game. And that is CED, I mean take a good look at it's effect can we say "Easy Win". While with BLS you would have to work at it to achieve a win in a duel.Come on people, what would you want to face in a duel CED which is still and always going to be a threat or BLS who is less of a threat? :D

C.) Neither.

[Paladinseer007]

C.) Neither.

Okay, you do realize that I wanted an answer besides neither.:D

[King Zulu]

Okay, you do realize that I wanted an answer besides neither.:D

BLS shouldn't return ALONG with CED for the simple fact that people threw creative deckbuilding out of the door, in an attempt to get a buch of powerful darks and any half-arsed light monster in their deck.

Paladin, I've seen your posts in numerous threads and I must say: Why do you want these cards to return so badly? Why? Mirror Force, POG, BLS... Why? They were and still are too powerful, can you imagine what will happen if these cards don't get banned? Every few sets a powerful card(s) will be released, thus leading to a future were YGO decks all look pretty much the same, just a bunch of overpowered cards - you know what's funny? Some say we're there already.

So no, I do not want to see the Envoy of Unoriginality return, look at the current state of the game! We have Toolbox, Soul Control, Bazoo, Burn, Cyber OTK and a bunch of other little decks making good results, so no - I like the game as it is, and I think BLS has earned it's retirement on the banned list.

P.S I you so want to use these cards, go play Trad man. >>''

[Shiryuu]

you know actually CED isnt a threat to the game at all and either is BLS EOTB because they arent ever coming off the list

seriously Butterfly Dagger isnt coming off the list and you actually need to use a combo to abuse that, and CED and BLS EOTB dont need combos to destroy duels

[Marko]

Well I think that BLS-EotB schould't return, at least not now. Why ? Well first of all just like you guys said, it's to powerful and mostly when he is properly used you can win the game, the most dangerous effect, well it's the "remover" and it's mostly chosen by other players. With this effects you can say bye bye to those handy flip effect monsters and others. The second reason I think, that it would power up Warrior support cards (well even now Warriors are the strongest strike force in the TCG ), with a Chaos-Warrior built around BLS he would be more annoying (for example Warrior Returning Alive, like yaay we destroyed BLS, what ? you can bring him back ? oh no -_-). As you see we can find much more examples for this card, but the most important thing is that when such power houses like BLS or CED would come off the Banned List, well every tournament deck would look like those on the World Championships in 2004 (that meens: Chaos Deck, Chaos Deck, Chaos Deck etc.) what fun would that be ?? I personally hate c-c decks, not only that their boring and there's no pleasure playing with these "monsters", when a c-c clashes with an other c-c, the winner emerges mostly when he has bigger luck and draws the best cards quicker. When the both Chaos Rulers would return, the guy that draws CED or BLS in the right situation sooner would win the duel. I think that Konami should start to slowly weaken the cookie cutter decks and make players strart to play with theme decks, so that the tournaments would be much more intresting with various decks. All in all I say clearly: BLS-EotB.. NO !
Thank you

[vapimp]

i hope not cuz all it takes is 1 random n00b to use it to make top8

[BLSoldier109]

If either one comes off it should be CED but really neither one should seeing how much tey change the entire game.

[BlackDragonKing]

Does anyone think the Black Luster soilder envoy of the begining is going to come off the band list :confused:
No. He's there for a reason. Like Yata.

[Bleakdragon55]

one reason why it won't come backz: Master Collection 2. You want 6 year olds to remove your monsters from the game the direct attack with their new Breaker from the Master collection2 as well. Do you?

[King Zulu]

one reason why it won't come backz: Master Collection 2. You want 6 year olds to remove your monsters from the game the direct attack with their new Breaker from the Master collection2 as well. Do you?

You my friend, seem to base your succes not on your skill, but rather who has the better cards, ala "rich boy" syndrome. And to answer your question - No, I DON'T mind, "n00bzorz11!" running around with these cards, no. I'm more afraid of the more experienced players that sure as hell are going to abuse BLS, thus kicking the game back to it's former "yawn, is there someone who isn't playing the same deck as me" state. GG.

[Paladinseer007]

BLS shouldn't return ALONG with CED for the simple fact that people threw creative deckbuilding out of the door, in an attempt to get a buch of powerful darks and any half-arsed light monster in their deck.

Paladin, I've seen your posts in numerous threads and I must say: Why do you want these cards to return so badly? Why? Mirror Force, POG, BLS... Why? They were and still are too powerful, can you imagine what will happen if these cards don't get banned? Every few sets a powerful card(s) will be released, thus leading to a future were YGO decks all look pretty much the same, just a bunch of overpowered cards - you know what's funny? Some say we're there already.

So no, I do not want to see the Envoy of Unoriginality return, look at the current state of the game! We have Toolbox, Soul Control, Bazoo, Burn, Cyber OTK and a bunch of other little decks making good results, so no - I like the game as it is, and I think BLS has earned it's retirement on the banned list.

P.S I you so want to use these cards, go play Trad man. >>''

To answer your question about BLS, mirror force, and pot of greed is this. First off with pot of greed, most people have said that it is based on luck more than skill and that it is unbalanced card in the game. Which what I would say about this, it's not based on luck whatever you need in a duel it gives a 50/50 chance of what you need. More importantly pot of greed is not unbalanced as some say, before it's banning a pretty high portion ran that spell card in there deck so to that it is not unbalanced. Then there's mirror force, some say that it is destructive, for starters let's take a look at what we got so far, we have sakuretsu armor at 3. Which is more of a pain and way to destructive of a card.To that point mirror force can be destroyed, and the ways to do it is, Solomn judgement, seven tools, pitchblack werewolf, trap jammer, etc. Then there is of course BLS, which most of everyone has said that it's destructive and broken. But what I would like to point out here is that it is powerful, but that doesn't mean it doesn't have weaknesses. This is my bottom point about these three cards is that you need to look at all these cards from a different angle, find their weakness. I mean it's not that hard to do, I agree that yes the cards that are currently banned and others are broken but that doesn't mean that they don't have a weakness, Do you get my point now?:)

[Netdecker]

Gosh, do I have to explain my post to every little whiner? (No offense). There is so much to get rid of BLS that it's not even funny. Plus Chaos Emperor is more of a threat than BLS. Feild Clearer + Burner. It doesn't even have to ATK to get an effect, just blows up which in late game can make your opponent Top Deck.

[The Punisher]

Paladin, I've seen your posts in numerous threads and I must say: Why do you want these cards to return so badly? Why? Mirror Force, POG, BLS... Why?

Friend Zulu... were you actually trying to use reason with Paladin? As in trying to actually make sense of the mind-numbing, lethally boring drivel he has infected the boards with ever since the new list was announced?

People should be quoting you, and making an example out of your patience as well.

[zephyr_]

Does anyone think the Black Luster soilder envoy of the begining is going to come off the band list :confused:

No, I dont. anyone who does is unfortunately wrong.

[Indignation]

Friend Zulu... were you actually trying to use reason with Paladin? As in trying to actually make sense of the mind-numbing, lethally boring drivel he has infected the boards with ever since the new list was announced?

People should be quoting you, and making an example out of your patience as well.
Paladins arguements make little to no sense and he just keeps reapeating them.

He says:

"More importantly pot of greed is not unbalanced as some say, before it's banning a pretty high portion ran that spell card in there deck so to that it is not unbalanced."

He is saying that because it was used alot that it makes it not unbalanced lol.

Anyway I would say there is no point in arguing but I have gotten him to see my point once so it is not a fully lost cause.

Anyway you can't change a persons opinion if they don't want to.

[Dark Maltos]

I believe that it should, like I said for a while, BLS is less of a threat than CED.More to the point, what would people rather face something less threatening such as BLS, or something that is a ticking time bomb like CED. :D

well its best that neither are back. Both were ridiculously powerful monsters with ridiculously easy summoning 'costs' :mad:

[VampireMaster]

hate to say this buddy but bls is one of the most borken monsters in the game no way

[Paladinseer007]

Friend Zulu... were you actually trying to use reason with Paladin? As in trying to actually make sense of the mind-numbing, lethally boring drivel he has infected the boards with ever since the new list was announced?

People should be quoting you, and making an example out of your patience as well.

HEY!!! if the drivel part is directed at me, then I will ask what's that suppose to mean?:mad:

[King Zulu]

Paladin, let me point out WHY countless people are frustrated with your arguments. Just because Sakuretsu Armor is running rampant doesn't make BLS not broken anymore. Hell, there IS A COUNTER TO EVERYTHING IN THIS GAME. Don't you understand? For example: Monster Reborn was banned. Yes, you can Magic Jammer it (and get kicked by me), but that still doesn't take away the fact that you have a drawbackless form of recursion that can also grab an opponents mon from his grave. No my friend it doesn't. Premature Burial is a more balanced version of recursion however.

BLS? Yes, it can be Bottomlessed. Does that take away the fact that it's a 3000 Double Attack'ing monster, that doesn't you require you to give up field advantage AND can remove f/d threats? No? Thought so.

Dude, these cards are br0ken. They ruined the game, BLS basicly has "I hate variety" written on it's armor. So if you wish to play these cards, go off and play traditional.

[Paladinseer007]

Paladins arguements make little to no sense and he just keeps reapeating them.

He says:

"More importantly pot of greed is not unbalanced as some say, before it's banning a pretty high portion ran that spell card in there deck so to that it is not unbalanced."

He is saying that because it was used alot that it makes it not unbalanced lol.

Anyway I would say there is no point in arguing but I have gotten him to see my point once so it is not a fully lost cause.

Anyway you can't change a persons opinion if they don't want to.

True but that was in the past, but if you caught the last part at the end of "little to no sense agruement as you have pointed out" point that I made last time you will see that I was refering that these particular cards shouldn't be banned because two out of the three cards that I mentioned BLS and mirror force these cards gave us a challenge to make us learn and figure out ways how to defuse these problems in our opponent's deck. Which of course gave us a challenge to think more on our strategy.Now changing the subject of pot of greed, OH NO MY OPPENENT DRAWS TWO CARDS FROM THEIR DECK OH MY SOMEBODY HELPE PLEASE!!!!!!! let me start by saying are you kidding me, banning a card like pot of greed that posed not even the tiny bit of a problem in past, and what I think about this it's a very huge mistake. Thus getting to the point that I believe that connects these three together,before they even came out they didn't achieve the broken and powerful status. But when they rose to that category they were banned, but that doesn't mean that they don't have weaknesses that's my point what I have been saying not to long ago to Zulu. And to give you an example, take a look at exodia before it was said to be powerful but then someone figured out how to beat that deck. And now we have ways for dealing with particular deck, Now to my last thought, wheater it is a powerful deck such as exodia of powerful cards such as BLS, mirror force, and pot of greed and a few other cards before these particular cards, there is always a way to defeat these kind of cards. But now it seems to me that everybody knows this detail about the game but no one seems to acknowledge this point at all. I'm not trying to insult anyone here, I really am not trying to do that. But I'm just trying to get people to think about more on how deal with cards besides the unbanned cards meaning I also want them to think about the banned cards as well. Like I said I apoligize about before that was not my particular aim, I just trying to get people to think a little more on the banned cards and how to diffuse them in certain duels and situations given with the upcoming banned list is all that was the point I was only making is all. Now does everyone understand now at least?:mad:

[t-money]

Bls is not coming off the banlist , but if he did I play him.

[Indignation]

Paladin, Solemn Judgement and cards like it (magic jammer, seven tools... etc) are not counted as weaknesses for cards like BLS, POG or Mirror Force. They are big costs and situational cards that will most likely hurt you in terms of advantage or alot of life points. If it was a weakness then these cards would have failed all the time in the past.

POG is broken. If you have ever been in any competitive play recently (like the past 3 months) you would see why a free +1 advantage is completely amazing. People don't play POA for nothing, they play it because it's possible advantage is that damn good. POA is a major watered down POG and people still use it despite the fact that it can hurt them. This shows how important card advantage is to the game. You have to learn the concept of card advantage and how it is important.

Do not even compare exodia to BLS because Exodia hasn't won 1/1000 of the amount of duels BLS or the other cards that are considered broken or nearly broken have won.

We have nothing to learn from the broken cards anymore so bringing them back to learn more would be stupid. Do not use nooBs as an excuse for saying playing BLS or Mirror Force requires skill because it doesn't, it requires common sense. When you have these broken cards together in the decks of two pro duelists then the game relys on luck of who draws them first since their decks are 90% the same. We do not see this as much today since we have 3-5 different decks top8ing SJCs all the time. We now have achieved somewhat amount of variety and next ban list will probably promote more.

People have already found ways to deal with the banned cards but... none were succesfull enough not even gravekeepers because they got beat by the other seldom random decks out there. Dealing with banned cards only makes little room for any other cards you would like to use.

The banned cards were banned for a reason. Period.

[The Punisher]

Not to mention, just imagine how awful it would be if Pot of Greed came back:

You've cornered your opponent with massive card advantage and field presence while he has no hand. He draws... plays Pot of Greed. Draws, now he plays Pot of Avarice. He draws, and now he has three more cards than he should've had in the first place. Why? Simply because he topped these two cards on time. And if you've been paying attention, YGO is the game where one single card, one single monster csn be the difference between victory and defeat. So why should people be allowed to play cards that give such substantial advantage?

I am NOT dissing on Pot of Avarice, BTW. It is a reasonably poweful card that will not bail you out all the time, unlike its more broken cousin. I also know the thread is about BLS, but Indignation's post mentioned PoG along with it and I felt there should be a case against a format where both PoG and PoA are allowed.

[mrexodia]

I mentioned BLS and mirror force these cards gave us a challenge to make us learn and figure out ways how to defuse these problems in our opponent's deck. Which of course gave us a challenge to think more on our strategy.Now changing the subject of pot of greed, OH NO MY OPPENENT DRAWS TWO CARDS FROM THEIR DECK OH MY SOMEBODY HELPE PLEASE!!!!!!! let me start by saying are you kidding me, banning a card like pot of greed that posed not even the tiny bit of a problem in past, and what I think about this it's a very huge mistake. Thus getting to the point that I believe that connects these three together,before they even came out they didn't achieve the broken and powerful status. But when they rose to that category they were banned, but that doesn't mean that they don't have weaknesses that's my point :mad:

So let me get this straight you want BLS and pot of greed and just so they can trigger our imagination and we can find ways of dealing with these cards.

OK let's see what cards stop BLS
solemn judgment (sure 50% you current lifepoints), how much did your opponent pay to summon it, NOTHING
Horn of heaven (It costs you 1 monster and horn of heaven 2 for 1 anyone)
Royal oppression (800 LP not to shaby, considering that, people run 2 mobius, 1 breaker, MST, heavy and 1-3 Dust tornadoes), good luck keeping it on the field to negate the summon.
Divine wrath (2 for 1)

I invite you to tell us which other cards will inspire everyone's cretivity to counter such a whimpy card, like it was for 1 year in which 80% of the decks one could see where BLS decks. That sure pushed creativity.

So to sum it up, why don't you tell us the real reason for your argument and just admit that you want BLS back so you can play it again, because your arguments are as fake as a 25 dollar bill.

[Shadow The Unborn]

No WAY, it is TOO powerful to let off, andd TOO powerful to exist!!!

[Injured_Status]

BLS- EotB is pretty ban-worthy, and I was glad when this sucker was finally banned. I don't know if t'll come off or not, but I doubt it. I sure hope it doesn't... I know. My friend has a traditional deck with a spare BLS- EotB he had, but no one wanted it. It kills me all the time.

[CED_Explosion]

Although BLS can't save you like CED can, it's still too strong to come off the banlist. Sure, there are lots of ways to get rid of him. However, don't you think if someone moans each time their oppenent summons 1 monster, it's usually banworthy?

[SaintDragon7777]

I see no problem with my opponent making a comback when i'm in control but stuff like black luster is just plain cheap. Mirror force and pot i dont mind comming back but black luster is much too powerful.

[Shiryuu]

well lets just say all the same things for everything else


cyber dragon gives us a challenge to try an counter in out opponents decks it forces people to think and thats a good thing



lol moving on bls doesnt cause someone to think and to everyone complaining about the current list do you even remember how much you all complained on the last list

i mean if it isnt Cyber and Saku's it will be BLS

none of those cards makes you think how to counter then you jsut pray you have something when they come out

[Rudoku]

Although BLS can't save you like CED can, it's still too strong to come off the banlist. Sure, there are lots of ways to get rid of him. However, don't you think if someone moans each time their oppenent summons 1 monster, it's usually banworthy?
Using that logic, The Earl of Demise, a random vanilla E-hero, and King of Skull Servants are ban-worthy.

[Indignation]

Using that logic, The Earl of Demise, a random vanilla E-hero, and King of Skull Servants are ban-worthy.
That wasn't his logic. Stop trying to act smart by putting others down since you only hurt yourself. Taking his post into consideration logically, people will never moan on the cards you just posted because they are not used competitively. It was easy to understand what he ment. He ment the card people always complained or got pissed at when it was played more than others.

[TwoTailedFox]

I believe that it should, like I said for a while, BLS is less of a threat than CED.More to the point, what would people rather face something less threatening such as BLS, or something that is a ticking time bomb like CED. :D

When your opponent is low on Life Points, sending 1 or more "Elephant Statue of Disaster" cards to the Graveyard using CED can be a big worry ;)

[Indignation]

When your opponent is low on Life Points, sending 1 or more "Elephant Statue of Disaster" cards to the Graveyard using CED can be a big worry ;)
No it can't lol. Elephant statue has to be discarded. CED sends cards to the grave and therefore elephant statue is useless..

[Spiked swordsman]

when it was on everybody including me had a chaos deck and when you would play it would come down to who got the ax of dispair first.

[Paladinseer007]

So let me get this straight you want BLS and pot of greed and just so they can trigger our imagination and we can find ways of dealing with these cards.

OK let's see what cards stop BLS
solemn judgment (sure 50% you current lifepoints), how much did your opponent pay to summon it, NOTHING
Horn of heaven (It costs you 1 monster and horn of heaven 2 for 1 anyone)
Royal oppression (800 LP not to shaby, considering that, people run 2 mobius, 1 breaker, MST, heavy and 1-3 Dust tornadoes), good luck keeping it on the field to negate the summon.
Divine wrath (2 for 1)

I invite you to tell us which other cards will inspire everyone's cretivity to counter such a whimpy card, like it was for 1 year in which 80% of the decks one could see where BLS decks. That sure pushed creativity.

So to sum it up, why don't you tell us the real reason for your argument and just admit that you want BLS back so you can play it again, because your arguments are as fake as a 25 dollar bill.

Okay, first of all you forgot mirror force in my last arguement.And of course you forgot to include 2x Sakuretsu armor's for it's double attack effect, Bottomless trap hole when summoned, Waboku chained with magic cylinder, and last but not lest jogen the spiritualist. And of course I will admit that I do want BLS back so I can play it again, but that is beside the point. Because as I stood by what I said the last time even though I did say these are broken cards and I did also say that BLS is powerful and broken to that point. Which my bottom line to that point that I made before is that even though these are powerful cards they still have weaknesses or they can be destroyed before their effects can activate. So do you understand me now?:p

[King Zulu]

Okay, first of all you forgot mirror force in my last arguement.And of course you forgot to include 2x Sakuretsu armor's for it's double attack effect, Bottomless trap hole when summoned, Waboku chained with magic cylinder, and last but not lest jogen the spiritualist. And of course I will admit that I do want BLS back so I can play it again, but that is beside the point. Because as I stood by what I said the last time even though I did say these are broken cards and I did also say that BLS is powerful and broken to that point. Which my bottom line to that point that I made before is that even though these are powerful cards they still have weaknesses or they can be destroyed before their effects can activate. So do you understand me now?:p

And despite these cards having weaknesses, they are STILL OVERPOWERED. Do you understand the argument of the majority of (sane) players? Look, it's clear you haven't read all of the arguments correctly - just because a card has a "weakness" or counter, doesn't make it any less broken. You could Barrel Behind the Door a CED, but it's still broken. Yata? Yeah, ways around that too and it's still broken. C'Mon, dude saying "so and so can be countered" doesn't mean jack squat. Besides, I can always counter your counter. >.<

[Paladinseer007]

Paladin, Solemn Judgement and cards like it (magic jammer, seven tools... etc) are not counted as weaknesses for cards like BLS, POG or Mirror Force. They are big costs and situational cards that will most likely hurt you in terms of advantage or alot of life points. If it was a weakness then these cards would have failed all the time in the past.

POG is broken. If you have ever been in any competitive play recently (like the past 3 months) you would see why a free +1 advantage is completely amazing. People don't play POA for nothing, they play it because it's possible advantage is that damn good. POA is a major watered down POG and people still use it despite the fact that it can hurt them. This shows how important card advantage is to the game. You have to learn the concept of card advantage and how it is important.

Do not even compare exodia to BLS because Exodia hasn't won 1/1000 of the amount of duels BLS or the other cards that are considered broken or nearly broken have won.

We have nothing to learn from the broken cards anymore so bringing them back to learn more would be stupid. Do not use nooBs as an excuse for saying playing BLS or Mirror Force requires skill because it doesn't, it requires common sense. When you have these broken cards together in the decks of two pro duelists then the game relys on luck of who draws them first since their decks are 90% the same. We do not see this as much today since we have 3-5 different decks top8ing SJCs all the time. We now have achieved somewhat amount of variety and next ban list will probably promote more.

People have already found ways to deal with the banned cards but... none were succesfull enough not even gravekeepers because they got beat by the other seldom random decks out there. Dealing with banned cards only makes little room for any other cards you would like to use.

The banned cards were banned for a reason. Period.

The reason why I even mentioned exodia is because to beat that deck took a certain strategy by stalling draws and discarding cards.Because my point about exodia was the way to destroy it, which goes for my point about pot of greed, BLS, and mirror force powerful cards that do have a weakness if you put the time in to figure out how to destroy them in duels. And I know for a fact that you know what I'm talking about!!!!!!!:mad:

Additional Comment:
And despite these cards having weaknesses, they are STILL OVERPOWERED. Do you understand the argument of the majority of (sane) players? Look, it's clear you haven't read all of the arguments correctly - just because a card has a "weakness" or counter, doesn't make it any less broken. You could Barrel Behind the Door a CED, but it's still broken. Yata? Yeah, ways around that too and it's still broken. C'Mon, dude saying "so and so can be countered" doesn't mean jack squat. Besides, I can always counter your counter. >.<

Excuse me!!!! Who do you think you are saying that to me Zulu. First of all, to let you I am a sane player but more importantly to that fact, I'm not a novice. So don't just sit there and insult my intelligence about this game, and the whole time I was talking strategiclly about these three particular cards that I mentioned on how to destroy them.:mad:

[ZanarkandAce]

Heard a Rumor today... Guy at the tourney I went to said that he talked to some guy that worked at UDE, and he said that 90% positive, one of the Chaos Monsters is coming back.....





Guess who.......




Chaos Emperor Dragon.... Yup. he said that he heard that CED was coming off the list.... And I think that it would be better to have him back than the Soldier...

[Relinquished]

Heard a Rumor today... Guy at the tourney I went to said that he talked to some guy that worked at UDE, and he said that 90% positive, one of the Chaos Monsters is coming back.....





Guess who.......




Chaos Emperor Dragon.... Yup. he said that he heard that CED was coming off the list.... And I think that it would be better to have him back than the Soldier...

Rumors are just that. Nobody at UDE would be leaking information about the next list this early.

Paladinseer007, whether or not BLS has counters or not shouldn't even be a factor in the argument. We had all of these counters last format and did it make a difference? There's a counter to every card in the game. If we follow your logic then we could unban every forbidden card.

My main argument for keeping BLS banned is because he warps the entire meta around himself.

[Xaylen]

Now that it's gone i feel so bored...Bring on the Envoys!I'm gonna smash them with my Warriors!!

Nah,i'm too big-headed.

*Starts acting like a monkey*

[X]

[King Zulu]

My main argument for keeping BLS banned is because he warps the entire meta around himself.

That's short and to the point. Bring back BLS, and creativity is throwed out the window to fit in some more sub-par lights/darks. >>''

[Chronos]

BLS is the single most broken monster card in the game, it shouldnt come back, Id like to play with again but not at the cost of creativity and originality, as well as sanity. He has to stay or the game will return to stagnation.

As for CED being worse than BLS, WTF! CED is a one time deal, he blows up and leaves each player topdecking to regain advantage, BLS is a continous threat who can kill a monster and then cleave of 3000 lp! every turn! and if you are afraid of the f/d monster, just remove it from play!

BLS is more dangerous than CED and both should remain on the banlist, if you don't like it, go suck a trout and play traditional.

[Faust_8]

I believe that it should, like I said for a while, BLS is less of a threat than CED.More to the point, what would people rather face something less threatening such as BLS, or something that is a ticking time bomb like CED. :D

That's like saying that the Hiroshima bomb is nothing just because there are bigger bombs.

For the most part, yes, BLS isn't as much of a problem as CED was. Does that mean BLS isn't dangerous? Hell no!

BLS is an instant +1 thanks to his Ignition Effect, and his Trigger can inflict massive damage (and can even be a +2). He can turn games around way too easily.

He's staying where he is for a while.

Additional Comment:
I believe that it should, like I said for a while, BLS is less of a threat than CED.More to the point, what would people rather face something less threatening such as BLS, or something that is a ticking time bomb like CED. :D

That's like saying that the Hiroshima bomb is nothing just because there are bigger bombs.

For the most part, yes, BLS isn't as much of a problem as CED was. Does that mean BLS isn't dangerous? Hell no!

BLS is an instant +1 thanks to his Ignition Effect, and his Trigger can inflict massive damage (and can even be a +2). He can turn games around way too easily.

He's staying where he is for a while.

[Paladinseer007]

Rumors are just that. Nobody at UDE would be leaking information about the next list this early.

Paladinseer007, whether or not BLS has counters or not shouldn't even be a factor in the argument. We had all of these counters last format and did it make a difference? There's a counter to every card in the game. If we follow your logic then we could unban every forbidden card.

My main argument for keeping BLS banned is because he warps the entire meta around himself.

Dude, aside from counters to destroy this card, and I was also refering to other ways such as cards to stop his summoning, and cards to discard him to the graveyard.:p

[Relinquished]

Dude, aside from counters to destroy this card, and I was also refering to other ways such as cards to stop his summoning, and cards to discard him to the graveyard.:p

Which, as I pointed out, could be used as an argument for every banned card. Whether or not a card has a counter to it has absolutley nothing to do with unbanning it.

[Airknight]

No it can't lol. Elephant statue has to be discarded. CED sends cards to the grave and therefore elephant statue is useless..
wtf!?

'When this card is sent directly from your hand to the Graveyard by an effect of a card controlled by your opponent, inflict 2000 points of damage to your opponent's Life Points.'

otherwise it wont be able to counter last turn deck.

[envoysbro]

i see it coming back when they ban every light in the game

[Soulmaster Knight]

Which, as I pointed out, could be used as an argument for every banned card. Whether or not a card has a counter to it has absolutley nothing to do with unbanning it.
One of the best explanations ever to counter people's notions to bringing back banned cards. You get a gold star, a kitten, and a muffin.

There is light beyond the darkness. :)

[Indignation]

One of the best explanations ever to counter people's notions to bringing back banned cards. You get a gold star, a kitten, and a muffin.

There is light beyond the darkness. :)

Simply simple lol. That shuts down the whole weakness crap arguement but it still won't change the way some people think about it though... Anyway these cards that practically negate everything were rarely used back when the bans were unbanned so what makes them think we would use them now?

wtf!?

'When this card is sent directly from your hand to the Graveyard by an effect of a card controlled by your opponent, inflict 2000 points of damage to your opponent's Life Points.'

otherwise it wont be able to counter last turn deck.
Ah he caught me!
Your right. My bad lol. I was thinking of it's effect as discarding when I was talking with someone about dark world decks in traditional and thought they were similar effects, I was wrong.

[Paladinseer007]

Which, as I pointed out, could be used as an argument for every banned card. Whether or not a card has a counter to it has absolutley nothing to do with unbanning it.

But I disagree, because I believe that it is a factor.:D

[mystic potato]

it's 2 powerful

[DMOC2826]

If BLS-EotB comes off the list I'll cry for 1 reason; b/c my BLS-EotB was apparently stolen 1 week prior to the October 1, 2005 Ban/Restrcited List. :-(
Other than that, I really don't mind if it comes back; in that case, I'll have to get another BLS for myself lol ;-)
I'll find ways to counter it (with my sidedeck) if it does indeed come back.
Solemn Judgement
Royal Oppression
Divine Wrath, etc.
I myself wouldn't take it off the ban list just to keep the game balanced, and prevent major damage in 1 turn. However, BLS-EotB has a better chance than CED-EotE to come off; I think we can all agree on that.
Honestly, I'm down with any card they decide to bring back fro the ban-list; I'll be ready ;-)

[Chaosangel777]

BLS should not come back for ages, unless Konami and UDE get drunk again.o_O

[Relinquished]

But I disagree, because I believe that it is a factor.:D

Well then let's look at some other cards that are banned and have counters.

Yata-Garasu:

Sakuretsu Armor
Solemn Judgment
Horn of Heaven
House of Adhesive Tape
Eatgaboon
Mind Crush
D. D. Designator
Fengsheng Mirror

Imperial Order:

Seven Tools of the Bandit
Solemn Judgment
Mystical Space Typhoon
Dust Tornado
Royal Surrender
Royal Decree

I could go on and on but I think you get the point. Your argument is flawed and can be used for every banned card there is. If we use you reasoning then we would just end up in Traditional format again.

[lilyounginblue]

Eh, it won't come off and I hate your Sticky Typing.

[Paladinseer007]

Well then let's look at some other cards that are banned and have counters.

Yata-Garasu:

Sakuretsu Armor
Solemn Judgment
Horn of Heaven
House of Adhesive Tape
Eatgaboon
Mind Crush
D. D. Designator
Fengsheng Mirror

Imperial Order:

Seven Tools of the Bandit
Solemn Judgment
Mystical Space Typhoon
Dust Tornado
Royal Surrender
Royal Decree

I could go on and on but I think you get the point. Your argument is flawed and can be used for every banned card there is. If we use you reasoning then we would just end up in Traditional format again.

Okay, if you get my point about thinking strategically about BLS and other cards that are banned right now. Then answer me this why do you really want it banned permently, I don't want hear this" it's too broken of a card" or " too powerful" because I hear the same stuff from everybody else.And I know for an honest fact that you and everybody else knows the counter points to this card,but the thing is nobody want's to even acknowledge this at all.Now I'm not trying to insult anybody here, that's not what i'm trying to do, and I'm sorry if I came off of it like that. Because I was honest about wanting it off the list so I can play it again, because that's exodia asked me that before. So I want to ask you the same question to you and everybody else what is the real reason why you want this card banned, and I mean the truth.:D

Additional Comment:
That's short and to the point. Bring back BLS, and creativity is throwed out the window to fit in some more sub-par lights/darks. >>''

Creativity being thrown out the window, I believe so far that it's already happened.:D

[JBauer24]

BLS should not come back for ages, unless Konami and UDE get drunk again.o_O

are they ever sober? OH BURN :)

[Relinquished]

are they ever sober? OH BURN :)

LOL

Quoted for indefinite emphasis.

[marhawkman]

are they ever sober? OH BURN :) They made the Banlist didn't they? That means they must be sober at least occasionally.

[Aeto]

Guys, neither of them will EVER come back. It was a mistake for Konami to release such ridiculous Advantage-gainers, and I think Konami knows that. Therefore, it would be stupid for Konami to unban them.

Incase you don't know, CED still shouldn't come off. It's basically a free summon because all you have to remove is a light and a dark.

[Indignation]

They made the Banlist didn't they? That means they must be sober at least occasionally.
It's not that they are sober but the fact that Chuck Norris would beat the crap outta them if they didn't.

[Paladinseer007]

Guys, neither of them will EVER come back. It was a mistake for Konami to release such ridiculous Advantage-gainers, and I think Konami knows that. Therefore, it would be stupid for Konami to unban them.

Incase you don't know, CED still shouldn't come off. It's basically a free summon because all you have to remove is a light and a dark.

First off, I agree with you on CED and with the part on BLS I beg to differ with you on that one. As I said before about it I stand by what I have said about BLS. And of course I will also say you nor I or even anybody else knows that for a full certainty that BLS along with CED is banned for good.So with that being said, I suggest that we wait and see for it to happen in april.:)

[JBauer24]

neither envoy will come back until konami releases more reliable anti-removal cards like necrovalley (gravekeepers>chaos, gravekeepers<everything else) and End of Anubis. than they might unban the envoys for a brief trial period to see what happens. but till then, SELL SELL SELL (bls was going for almost $100 in a magazine catalog, CED for $75)

[kEviN21]

it could....

but thats wut chaos sorcerer is for...

[OkageRyuu]

I think BLS should come off.

Why?

Because the game NEEDS something strong and challenging like that. You think it's too strong? The point is to make you think on your toes and do your best to remove it. You don't like the card and don't want it off the list? Too bad, no one's making you play the card. You cry and complain because your deck can't beat it? Well you can stop playing the game or just try to make something NEW.

Everyone thinks it's a bad idea now, but hey...everyone thought the current Forbidden List was AWESOME and the best EVER when it first started. But now, the game feels stale and not worth playing (regardless of the people on here saying it's alive...trust me, not everyone feels that way..).

You can't run from your problems behind this list or soon the game will be horrible and crash because it's so restricted of all fun (kind of like now just much worse).

For those who'll say "You just want it off so you can play it". Well, truth is, yes I have one and no I wouldn't play it because it would be stolen and I simply don't feel like playing him. In fact, I tried running CC during this list just to annoy people and it in turn annoyed me because it's so boring. So, the answer is no: I don't want it back so I can play it. I want it back because the game is becoming boring and there needs to be something strong and Chaos Sorcerer sure isn't cutting it.

[Paladinseer007]

I think BLS should come off.

Why?

Because the game NEEDS something strong and challenging like that. You think it's too strong? The point is to make you think on your toes and do your best to remove it. You don't like the card and don't want it off the list? Too bad, no one's making you play the card. You cry and complain because your deck can't beat it? Well you can stop playing the game or just try to make something NEW.

Everyone thinks it's a bad idea now, but hey...everyone thought the current Forbidden List was AWESOME and the best EVER when it first started. But now, the game feels stale and not worth playing (regardless of the people on here saying it's alive...trust me, not everyone feels that way..).

You can't run from your problems behind this list or soon the game will be horrible and crash because it's so restricted of all fun (kind of like now just much worse).

For those who'll say "You just want it off so you can play it". Well, truth is, yes I have one and no I wouldn't play it because it would be stolen and I simply don't feel like playing him. In fact, I tried running CC during this list just to annoy people and it in turn annoyed me because it's so boring. So, the answer is no: I don't want it back so I can play it. I want it back because the game is becoming boring and there needs to be something strong and Chaos Sorcerer sure isn't cutting it.

Dude, I totally agree and I've said something like what you said along the same lines. And I'm personally glad that you totally understand the strategic point of this game, Thank you.:D

[Indignation]

I think BLS should come off.

Why?

Because the game NEEDS something strong and challenging like that. You think it's too strong? The point is to make you think on your toes and do your best to remove it. You don't like the card and don't want it off the list? Too bad, no one's making you play the card. You cry and complain because your deck can't beat it? Well you can stop playing the game or just try to make something NEW.

Everyone thinks it's a bad idea now, but hey...everyone thought the current Forbidden List was AWESOME and the best EVER when it first started. But now, the game feels stale and not worth playing (regardless of the people on here saying it's alive...trust me, not everyone feels that way..).

You can't run from your problems behind this list or soon the game will be horrible and crash because it's so restricted of all fun (kind of like now just much worse).

For those who'll say "You just want it off so you can play it". Well, truth is, yes I have one and no I wouldn't play it because it would be stolen and I simply don't feel like playing him. In fact, I tried running CC during this list just to annoy people and it in turn annoyed me because it's so boring. So, the answer is no: I don't want it back so I can play it. I want it back because the game is becoming boring and there needs to be something strong and Chaos Sorcerer sure isn't cutting it.
Dude you want a format where you constantly have to be waiting for your opponent to use the same card every other person is using so you can beat it? Go play traditional. There is plenty of skill there because you have to watch out for when your opponent uses BLS or CED. Oh wait CED and BLS both bothering you? Then go use some of the universal counter cards like Solemn Judgment. Oh wait you always stop those strong cards you say? Then your meta sucks and your players are unskilled. Real good players will make sure you can't stop their BLS when they use it.

[DarkBalter2005]

I think BLS should come off.

Why?

Because the game NEEDS something strong and challenging like that. You think it's too strong? The point is to make you think on your toes and do your best to remove it. You don't like the card and don't want it off the list? Too bad, no one's making you play the card. You cry and complain because your deck can't beat it? Well you can stop playing the game or just try to make something NEW.

Everyone thinks it's a bad idea now, but hey...everyone thought the current Forbidden List was AWESOME and the best EVER when it first started. But now, the game feels stale and not worth playing (regardless of the people on here saying it's alive...trust me, not everyone feels that way..).

You can't run from your problems behind this list or soon the game will be horrible and crash because it's so restricted of all fun (kind of like now just much worse).

For those who'll say "You just want it off so you can play it". Well, truth is, yes I have one and no I wouldn't play it because it would be stolen and I simply don't feel like playing him. In fact, I tried running CC during this list just to annoy people and it in turn annoyed me because it's so boring. So, the answer is no: I don't want it back so I can play it. I want it back because the game is becoming boring and there needs to be something strong and Chaos Sorcerer sure isn't cutting it.

Your stupid, that's the basis, If you think BLS should come off, why don't we just unban yata and CED while were at it and Witch too. We'll have a great game were you wonb't ever see original decks and we might as well close down both Deck Discussion forums because they will be useless as everyone will be playing the same ugly cards. And idnigation is right, most skilled players can easily stop BLS when it comes into play. And not let it go on for 2 to 3 turns on the field inflicting damage like there's no tomorrow.

We can unban BLS when we increase our starting LP count to like 100 000 and THEN and ONLY then will the game be blanced for such a broken card as BLS.

BLS is the apitomy of broken, right after yata anyways. If BLS ever by some miraclious event that rattles the earth I'll main deck 3 soul release and 3 solemn judgment and 3 kycoo. And then I'll laugh at all the people that have that dead draw in their hand.

I'm done, I'll let the other people have a go at you now. I hope for your sake Chuck Norris doesn't read this post or he'll roundhouse kick you to before you were born.

Peace.

[Exiled]

I think BLS should come off.

Why?

Because the game NEEDS something strong and challenging like that. You think it's too strong? The point is to make you think on your toes and do your best to remove it. You don't like the card and don't want it off the list? Too bad, no one's making you play the card. You cry and complain because your deck can't beat it? Well you can stop playing the game or just try to make something NEW.

Everyone thinks it's a bad idea now, but hey...everyone thought the current Forbidden List was AWESOME and the best EVER when it first started. But now, the game feels stale and not worth playing (regardless of the people on here saying it's alive...trust me, not everyone feels that way..).

You can't run from your problems behind this list or soon the game will be horrible and crash because it's so restricted of all fun (kind of like now just much worse).

For those who'll say "You just want it off so you can play it". Well, truth is, yes I have one and no I wouldn't play it because it would be stolen and I simply don't feel like playing him. In fact, I tried running CC during this list just to annoy people and it in turn annoyed me because it's so boring. So, the answer is no: I don't want it back so I can play it. I want it back because the game is becoming boring and there needs to be something strong and Chaos Sorcerer sure isn't cutting it.
Allow Me To Tell You a Story.

My opponent has a F/D Tribe and I have 4 goats on the field and less than 1000 LP left. I also have a F/D Torrential. He could flip summon Tribe on his turn, discard a card and Attack for Game. I decide to Torrential when he flipped Tribe. He then proceeded to summon BLS from his hand. I lost


The moral of the story..........If BLS remains on the field for one turn without putting a dent towards your lifepoints, then you have a challenge of removing it. Truth is, You won't live to see your next match after a BLS Summon. Case in Point.


It's not that they are sober but the fact that Chuck Norris would beat the crap outta them if they didn't.

Yes

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[Paladinseer007]

Dude you want a format where you constantly have to be waiting for your opponent to use the same card every other person is using so you can beat it? Go play traditional. There is plenty of skill there because you have to watch out for when your opponent uses BLS or CED. Oh wait CED and BLS both bothering you? Then go use some of the universal counter cards like Solemn Judgment. Oh wait you always stop those strong cards you say? Then your meta sucks and your players are unskilled. Real good players will make sure you can't stop their BLS when they use it.

Dude lay off, shouldn't be insulting people like that. Oh wait that's right you and few other people who were against BLS coming off the list, also mocked and said my points made " little to no sense". Besides I agree with what Okage said, and I also believe that Okage was on to something, which I will reframe from saying. And about what Okage said judging by what you wrote, I'd say that what I originally thought before and what Okage said, that we were both right.:D

[DarkBalter2005]

Dude lay off, shouldn't be insulting people like that. Oh wait that's right you and few other people who were against BLS coming off the list, also mocked and said my points made " little to no sense". Besides I agree with what Okage said, and I also believe that Okage was on to something, which I will reframe from saying. And about what Okage said judging by what you wrote, I'd say that what I originally thought before and what Okage said, that we were both right.:D

Wow, Indignation was right about you. Your a total n00b. Firstly, he wasn't insulting Okage even though he deserved it, he was insulting his meta so read what was written.

BLS is not original. It's a card even a n00b can use, just starting out in the game buys a pack of IOC, pulls it and throws it into a deck and cleans everyone just because of 1 card. BLS is truly broken. We were all insulted when UDE didn't ban BLS the first time along with Yata and CED. How did they only relize it's brokeness after still puzzles me, but regardless they made the right decision in the end.

And if I find the thread that Indignation and a few others mocked you on, I'd mock you too. The only real reason you want BLS is back is because you have no original deck idea's and that's what this game is about. New idea's, new and original decks not CC everywhere you turn.

[ZorcTheAncientClown]

Balter your d---, umm, ego, is way too big! [everyone, laugh now at my homosexual implications] And your deck would suck major ass. The whole reason that BLS is stupid is because it's not an entire deck on a theme. It's splashed if you have enough darks and lights. And it will be used because there are enough generic lights and darks.

Anyway, BLS should not come back. Yes, everyone should be allowed to walk around with guns and knives because they aren't as strong as nukes. That's logic, my friends.

It's not like there's any skill involved in drawing a card at the right moment unless we were playing something like "Deck Stackers: World Championships". Then it would be like, "Wow man, alright, you put right in there man! Good job! I did not stack my deck better than you."

I heard that once, Chuck Norris was so constipated that he needed all of the Prairie Provinces' grain to help him out.

[DarkBalter2005]

Balter your d---, umm, ego, is way too big! [everyone, laugh now at my homosexual implications] And your deck would suck major ass. The whole reason that BLS is stupid is because it's not an entire deck on a theme. It's splashed if you have enough darks and lights. And it will be used because there are enough generic lights and darks.

Anyway, BLS should not come back. Yes, everyone should be allowed to walk around with guns and knives because they aren't as strong as nukes. That's logic, my friends.

It's not like there's any skill involved in drawing a card at the right moment unless we were playing something like "Deck Stackers: World Championships". Then it would be like, "Wow man, alright, you put right in there man! Good job! I did not stack my deck better than you."

I heard that once, Chuck Norris was so constipated that he needed all of the Prairie Provinces' grain to help him out.

I would don't actually put those cards in, I was just trying to make a point on what the return of BLS would do to the game. As far as I'm concerned, UDE would have to have smoked some strong ***** to take BLS off the current Ban List. Leave Chuck Norris out of this and I'll this (http://www.dubioustees.com/legend.gif) [<--Points to the bottom arrow] out of your mom.

:eek: :eek:

[Jamez_is_Back]

bls is banned so shut up and its not comming back !

[OkageRyuu]

Wow. XD It's kinda funny that my one little post got so many people in an uproar.

To those that are flaming me, I'm laughing at you as I type this. I personally don't care about what you say and it's just making me laugh even harder at you. You think I deserve to be flamed just because I stated my own opinion of something? That's funny. Don't look for me to flame you back, just laugh at you.

To those that think my idea is stupid, it may sound stupid now, yes I agree on that. But the Forbidden List we use now looked awesome when it first was released to the public, and now it's not so hot as once thought. The fact is that this happens with EVERY list we get.

Firstly, he wasn't insulting Okage even though he deserved it, he was insulting his meta so read what was written.

Okay, you think I deserve being insulted because I voice my opinion of something? lol...that means we should insult everyone we come across on the street because I'm sure EVERYONE has or will voice thier opinion on something in their lifetime.

Yes, my meta sucks but it doesn't mean I suck. I don't even duel with anyone in my meta anymore. You make me laugh...you need to read my post over and understand it. =P Just because I want ONE card back does NOT mean I want to play a whole other format. Whatever gave you that idea? I suppose you LIKE boring games. If your deck can't handle one little card, then you should probably try something new and unexplored.

Allow Me To Tell You a Story.

My opponent has a F/D Tribe and I have 4 goats on the field and less than 1000 LP left. I also have a F/D Torrential. He could flip summon Tribe on his turn, discard a card and Attack for Game. I decide to Torrential when he flipped Tribe. He then proceeded to summon BLS from his hand. I lost


The moral of the story..........If BLS remains on the field for one turn without putting a dent towards your lifepoints, then you have a challenge of removing it. Truth is, You won't live to see your next match after a BLS Summon. Case in Point.

I agree with you here, but who's to say that will happen ALL the time. If people learned to use the cards that are rarely used then maybe this wouldn't happen. An example is Ancient Telescope. It looks crappy, but if my hunch is correct, your opponent cannot see the cards you look at. If you see they're running BLS, then you prepare before they do. Simple.

Dude, I totally agree and I've said something like what you said along the same lines. And I'm personally glad that you totally understand the strategic point of this game, Thank you.

I'm glad someone agrees with me here. I mean, we need SOMETHING to fear and loathe. Cyber Dragon doesn't count because all it is is a beatstick.

[PMasterS]

To those that think my idea is stupid, it may sound stupid now, yes I agree on that. But the Forbidden List we use now looked awesome when it first was released to the public, and now it's not so hot as once thought. The fact is that this happens with EVERY list we get.



I'm glad someone agrees with me here. I mean, we need SOMETHING to fear and loathe. Cyber Dragon doesn't count because all it is is a beatstick.


What about those of us who sasw the faults with each format before hand?

Or who saw the cards as they were released and said "that should never have been made."

Those of us who have been proven correct time and again, only to have ourselves told we are idiots or wrong.

We never agreed with this banned list because our knowledge of the game allows us to see these problems immediately, BLS is too powerful and requires too little timing and ability to use with such great effect on the game should never be allowed back. That is true.

I can see how some people would want BLS to come back for purposes of creativity in decks but it is too powerful.



If we should have anything to fear it is our opponents skills, not their ability to draw a card overpowered beyond belief.

[Indignation]

Opinions are what make these threads. This forum is for discussing opinions and trying to get someone to see another opinion. Just because we argue doesn't mean we are flaming eachother.

I did not flame Okageryuu but I did make sarcastic remarks and gave my opinion on his meta if what he said about stopping BLS all the time is true.

In debates things get rough and words get heated but in the end it is just a debate. Don't take anything said here personally since we are just on the interweb lol.

Paladin I am sorry but Okageryuu makes more stable statements and arguements than you. You might have the same opinion but you definatly don't say your arguements the same way.

"I agree with you here, but who's to say that will happen ALL the time. If people learned to use the cards that are rarely used then maybe this wouldn't happen. An example is Ancient Telescope. It looks crappy, but if my hunch is correct, your opponent cannot see the cards you look at. If you see they're running BLS, then you prepare before they do. Simple."

Although that seems like a nice idea it still leaves you at -1 advantage. It also is a horrible topdeck. That card will hurt the user more than it will help them unless it is used in a deck made specifically on knowing whats ahead (which still is bad since it still is a -1 advantage).

"I'm glad someone agrees with me here. I mean, we need SOMETHING to fear and loathe. Cyber Dragon doesn't count because all it is is a beatstick."

Cyber Dragon, Mobius, Chaos Sorcerer, and Monsters that decks are built around should be the cards you fear in a match. Monsters that decks are built around are usually powerful monsters that will give you some good advantage in return of what you did to get it out.

EDIT: PMasterS sigged. Great statement.

[Exiled]

I agree with you here, but who's to say that will happen ALL the time. If people learned to use the cards that are rarely used then maybe this wouldn't happen. An example is Ancient Telescope. It looks crappy, but if my hunch is correct, your opponent cannot see the cards you look at. If you see they're running BLS, then you prepare before they do. Simple.

But Why go through all the effort to try and counter one card? I forgot who said this but if your deck is made to counter one card/type, then it will fail horribly. That's what last format proved. Don't use that Snatch, save it for BLS etc. A Duelist's objective is to outplay their opponent, not devote their resources on one card. In this format, resources are expendable with ease and some are used at appropriate times to gain advantage ie, Mobius. That's true skills. BLS winning games won't happen too often but thats the same as being killed. BLS is a trigger while the Duelist is the Gun. It'll be done in one blow, the Majority of the time.

[OkageRyuu]

What about those of us who sasw the faults with each format before hand?

Or who saw the cards as they were released and said "that should never have been made."

Those of us who have been proven correct time and again, only to have ourselves told we are idiots or wrong.

We never agreed with this banned list because our knowledge of the game allows us to see these problems immediately, BLS is too powerful and requires too little timing and ability to use with such great effect on the game should never be allowed back. That is true.

I can see how some people would want BLS to come back for purposes of creativity in decks but it is too powerful.



If we should have anything to fear it is our opponents skills, not their ability to draw a card overpowered beyond belief.

You raise a very good point and I agree, I forgot about those that knew of the faults before they even happened. I, myself, am not one of those people. But I do know that with each list, before the next one we all started to see the flaws. But those paying more attention to the game noticed these flaws before the list was in action and probably prepared for it. That last part of your post, is 100% true.

Opinions are what make these threads. This forum is for discussing opinions and trying to get someone to see another opinion. Just because we argue doesn't mean we are flaming eachother.

I did not flame Okageryuu but I did make sarcastic remarks and gave my opinion on his meta if what he said about stopping BLS all the time is true.

In debates things get rough and words get heated but in the end it is just a debate. Don't take anything said here personally since we are just on the interweb lol.

Paladin I am sorry but Okageryuu makes more stable statements and arguements than you. You might have the same opinion but you definatly don't say your arguements the same way.

"I agree with you here, but who's to say that will happen ALL the time. If people learned to use the cards that are rarely used then maybe this wouldn't happen. An example is Ancient Telescope. It looks crappy, but if my hunch is correct, your opponent cannot see the cards you look at. If you see they're running BLS, then you prepare before they do. Simple."

Although that seems like a nice idea it still leaves you at -1 advantage. It also is a horrible topdeck. That card will hurt the user more than it will help them unless it is used in a deck made specifically on knowing whats ahead (which still is bad since it still is a -1 advantage).

"I'm glad someone agrees with me here. I mean, we need SOMETHING to fear and loathe. Cyber Dragon doesn't count because all it is is a beatstick."

Cyber Dragon, Mobius, Chaos Sorcerer, and Monsters that decks are built around should be the cards you fear in a match. Monsters that decks are built around are usually powerful monsters that will give you some good advantage in return of what you did to get it out.

I don't really look at the -1 +1 stuff of cards much (unless it truely matters...a win or no win situation). For me, Ancient Telescope may mean you lose a card in your hand, but I consider getting to look at the next 5 cards your opponent will draw has the chance of being a very good thing.

Mobius, Cyber, Sorcerer, Phoenix and the like are good, but I don't see many Mobius or Phoenix themed decks. Soul Control, sure, but I see more Toolbox than anything. Although, you are making good points and I see where you're coming from.

But Why go through all the effort to try and counter one card? I forgot who said this but if your deck is made to counter one card/type, then it will fail horribly. That's what last format proved. Don't use that Snatch, save it for BLS etc. A Duelist's objective is to outplay their opponent, not devote their resources on one card. In this format, resources are expendable with ease and some are used at appropriate times to gain advantage ie, Mobius. That's true skills. BLS winning games won't happen too often but thats the same as being killed. BLS is a trigger while the Duelist is the Gun. It'll be done in one blow, the Majority of the time.

True, building your deck just to counter one card or one decktype is a bad thing. I read in another thread that, in this format, BLS would be removed quick with all the Sakuretsus, Smashings, BTH, Widespread, Magical Dimension...etc etc..running about. I think this is true (however who's to say those cards will be run next format?) and if it is, BLS wouldn't last as long as he did last format.

Provided the nessecary cards are removed that fuel BLS (Cyber to 1, DDA to 1 (doesn't fuel, just hurts your opponent), etc...) then BLS would work as a not-so balanced, but not so supported card. This is just my opinion, however.

[Indignation]

I don't really look at the -1 +1 stuff of cards much (unless it truely matters...a win or no win situation). For me, Ancient Lamp may mean you lose a card in your hand, but I consider getting to look at the next 5 cards your opponent will draw has the chance of being a very good thing.

Mobius, Cyber, Sorcerer, Phoenix and the like are good, but I don't see many Mobius or Phoenix themed decks. Soul Control, sure, but I see more Toolbox than anything. Although, you are making good points and I see where you're coming from.

I didn't mean mobius themed decks (mobius is main decked in almost every deck nowdays). So your meta uses more toolbox decks without the aid of cyber dragons and mobius?

[Exiled]

Like I said, It will be done in one blow. The sak can be MSTed and you won't have an opportunity to use that Smashing in the final turn. Funny thing in this format, they will use Return from the Different Dimension in conjunction with BLS. Reffering back to my first argument with you, If BLS had the "can't attack when summoned" clause, then it should come back

[OkageRyuu]

I didn't mean mobius themed decks (mobius is main decked in almost every deck nowdays). So your meta uses more toolbox decks without the aid of cyber dragons and mobius?

Yea, pretty much. Last Toolbox I saw had 1 DDA, 1 DDWL, 1 Breaker, 1 Phoenix, 1 Don, 1 Reaper, 1 MS LV2, 1 MS LV4 etc etc. He thinks he's the best ever and it's annoying.

Like I said, It will be done in one blow. The sak can be MSTed and you won't have an opportunity to use that Smashing in the final turn. Funny thing in this format, they will use Return from the Different Dimension in conjunction with BLS. Reffering back to my first argument with you, If BLS had the "can't attack when summoned" clause, then it should come back.

Yea, if BLS had a clause, then I'd be even more for it coming back. But you're right about MST, etc. RftDD, I could probably see being dropped to 2 or something.

[Paladinseer007]

Wow, Indignation was right about you. Your a total n00b. Firstly, he wasn't insulting Okage even though he deserved it, he was insulting his meta so read what was written.

BLS is not original. It's a card even a n00b can use, just starting out in the game buys a pack of IOC, pulls it and throws it into a deck and cleans everyone just because of 1 card. BLS is truly broken. We were all insulted when UDE didn't ban BLS the first time along with Yata and CED. How did they only relize it's brokeness after still puzzles me, but regardless they made the right decision in the end.

And if I find the thread that Indignation and a few others mocked you on, I'd mock you too. The only real reason you want BLS is back is because you have no original deck idea's and that's what this game is about. New idea's, new and original decks not CC everywhere you turn.

First of all Balter, Neither you or Indignation nor anybody else knows me. And for your information I'm not a noob, and not a novice to this game.Don't even tell me for a minute when I know someone is being insulted, and if you say Okage wasn't being insulted by Indignation why did you say "even though he deserved it". How dare you even saying I don't have any ideas, which for one I do have ideas.:p

[Indignation]

I never said I knew you. I told Balter there was a guy on the forums posting arguements with no proper backup to what he was saying. I didn't insult OkageRyuu, nor did he deserve it.

Just look at how OkageRyuu backs up what he posts. He doesn't just post an opinion without any proper reasoning behind it. Just try to make your arguements more clear then just saying "BLS should come back because he punishes bad players (example)".

[BLSoldier109]

BLS eotb stands better alone than CED fact but neither should come off

[Indignation]

BLS eotb stands better alone than CED fact but neither should come off
CED stands better alone than BLS.

Reason being you get BLS and:
risk an attack- many ways he can die

remove a monster- then he stays on field for another turn to get snatched and your opponent still has their resources.

CED- Nuke the field if your opponents LP are low or they have much more advantage over you. Or attack an open field then Nuke it to finish off the opponent.

CED is better in a format where resources are important since he can take all advantage away in a single blow.

[Paladinseer007]

I never said I knew you. I told Balter there was a guy on the forums posting arguements with no proper backup to what he was saying. I didn't insult OkageRyuu, nor did he deserve it.

Just look at how OkageRyuu backs up what he posts. He doesn't just post an opinion without any proper reasoning behind it. Just try to make your arguements more clear then just saying "BLS should come back because he punishes bad players (example)".

Well basically you and everyone else has made assumptions about my opinions. And I did have proper backup to what I was saying, that BLS isn't powerful just think and consider other ways to destroy, discard or stop his summoning before it happens that was my point the last time. I was basically talking in the strategic sense for BLS and every other card, and I find more insulting that your giving pointers on how to make an arguement which clearly I know how to do. And you also assume that the whole time I've been posting up my opinions which I wasn't, I will say that my reasoning does have backup. While you and everyone else say the same thing over and over again that "it's a broken card" or "it's too powerful" while it's clear that's not the real reason. So don't sit there, insult my opinion, my arguements, and my intelligence about this game and on how to make a clear arguements about anything.:mad:

[SaintDragon7777]

In this format i think BLS and CED is about Equal. Hardly anyone has a big hand or big field so the burn from CED is minimal. Even if CED explodes the opponent gets the upperhand after the small burn so the way i see it now BLS is more of a threat. but it all depends on situations. Over all though i think BLS is the stronger mosnter in this format.

They both should not come back. If you want a special summon like CED and BLS use the insect. just remove 2 insects from your grave and you got an effectless 2800 special summoned beatstick. Or use Chaos Sorceror. 2300 is pretty balance for its amazing effect.

[Indignation]

Well basically you and everyone else has made assumptions about my opinions. And I did have proper backup to what I was saying, that BLS isn't powerful just think and consider other ways to destroy, discard or stop his summoning before it happens that was my point the last time. I was basically talking in the strategic sense for BLS and every other card, and I find more insulting that your giving pointers on how to make an arguement which clearly I know how to do. And you also assume that the whole time I've been posting up my opinions which I wasn't, I will say that my reasoning does have backup. While you and everyone else say the same thing over and over again that "it's a broken card" or "it's too powerful" while it's clear that's not the real reason. So don't sit there, insult my opinion, my arguements, and my intelligence about this game and on how to make a clear arguements about anything.:mad:
Ok then go and reread every one of my posts and tell me if all I put was "this card is broken" or "it's too powerful". Don't be mad. :D

[Xero Geith]

We ogt the 2 new ritual monsters and thats good enouph for me....

[Paladinseer007]

Ok then go and reread every one of my posts and tell me if all I put was "this card is broken" or "it's too powerful". Don't be mad. :D

your kidding me, after you insulted me and mocked me your trying to justify your arguments of the past and present. And even I know perfectly well that one out of these two pharses was your bottomline. Because I know what is going on so try to belittle my intelligence.:mad:

[Akatsuki]

No it shouldn't come off. There's no reason for it to.
I also agree with you

[Indignation]

your kidding me, after you insulted me and mocked me your trying to justify your arguments of the past and present. And even I know perfectly well that one out of these two pharses was your bottomline. Because I know what is going on so try to belittle my intelligence.:mad:
LOL. Wheather it was my bottom line or not I proved my statments that I was trying to make. At least you could put some proof because even If I did mock you or not it wasn't for putting you down but your statement. :D

[Paladinseer007]

LOL. Wheather it was my bottom line or not I proved my statments that I was trying to make. At least you could put some proof because even If I did mock you or not it wasn't for putting you down but your statement. :D

Once again, Are you kidding me, you know I'm finding it extremely hard to understand your rashanalizations. More to the point, after you, Zulu, and balter mocked and insulted the arguements that I made stating to take a strategic point to deal with BLS along with other banned cards. And I tried to explain my side of it, you along with everyone else wouldn't acknowledge what I was talking about. But you what I realized, you and everyone else knew what I was talking about, when Okage made that point about BLS and it caused a bit of an uproar I knew then I realized before was true. And here now your trying to insult my intelligence with on "how to state a proper arguement" which I know how to do. Also open up your eyes, with BLS the way to destroy him is in the card. If you want more proof, figure it out more for yourself, and about putting my statement down not me, one word I say to that is BULL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:mad:

[Indignation]

Telling you that you didn't put a proper arguement is helping you find out why many people on this bored don't respect you and most don't even bother with you anymore. We all reckognized your arguement and stated why we think it doesn't work (exept Balter). You have to back up your statements.

When people tell you you didn't make a good arguement or back up your arguement it doesn't mean we are calling you stupid. If you cannot accept help then we are going nowhere because you will always take it as an insult and the arguements won't go anywhere.

[Paladinseer007]

Telling you that you didn't put a proper arguement is helping you find out why many people on this bored don't respect you and most don't even bother with you anymore. We all reckognized your arguement and stated why we think it doesn't work (exept Balter). You have to back up your statements.

When people tell you you didn't make a good arguement or back up your arguement it doesn't mean we are calling you stupid. If you cannot accept help then we are going nowhere because you will always take it as an insult and the arguements won't go anywhere.

Can I ask you a question?

[wingzero001]

id like to see bls come back BUT then every body would run him and he would once again get baned he could eaither remove 1 monster or attack 2 times if he removes u cant attack with him that turn all i hear is broken this and broken that if bls is the only monster on your side and the person you are playing has 1 monster u remove thats not ganna do any thing if the person u are playing has more then 1 u could attack 2 times and get rid of them both the only thing i found messed up was how u could remove play book of moon or some other card to filp him face down reseting his effect to where u could remove once again or attack 2 times with monster remove being the big thing this format i dont care how *broken* u say he is hes not staying on the field for very long if ever did come back we would hear this * bls is so broken i want it baned i got beat up by it i want it baned* people would just wine for 6 months i dont know about u guys but i dont wanna hear that if u are going to ban a card on your fake ban list then list some good reasons i really dont see good reasons i just hear broken this and broken that some people just say that becouse of the 2 reasons im about to list number 1 * i dont have the card and other people have it i want it baned * reason number 2* i dont like the card i want it baned* if bls does come back the minute he does were ganna start hearing that plus he is easyer to get he got reprinted 2 times he came from ioc then the master book now dr2 i just dont like how lame the game has goten he have no drawl power and the matches last way to long please make the game fun again bring back some cards bls pog i dont care

[Paladinseer007]

id like to see bls come back BUT then every body would run him and he would once again get baned he could eaither remove 1 monster or attack 2 times if he removes u cant attack with him that turn all i hear is broken this and broken that if bls is the only monster on your side and the person you are playing has 1 monster u remove thats not ganna do any thing if the person u are playing has more then 1 u could attack 2 times and get rid of them both the only thing i found messed up was how u could remove play book of moon or some other card to filp him face down reseting his effect to where u could remove once again or attack 2 times with monster remove being the big thing this format i dont care how *broken* u say he is hes not staying on the field for very long if ever did come back we would hear this * bls is so broken i want it baned i got beat up by it i want it baned* people would just wine for 6 months i dont know about u guys but i dont wanna hear that if u are going to ban a card on your fake ban list then list some good reasons i really dont see good reasons i just hear broken this and broken that some people just say that becouse of the 2 reasons im about to list number 1 * i dont have the card and other people have it i want it baned * reason number 2* i dont like the card i want it baned* if bls does come back the minute he does were ganna start hearing that plus he is easyer to get he got reprinted 2 times he came from ioc then the master book now dr2 i just dont like how lame the game has goten he have no drawl power and the matches last way to long please make the game fun again bring back some cards bls pog i dont care

Dude, I seriously agree with that, because I heard the same stuff that you have been talking about and I seriously think that is the case with people who want BLS banned. I also agree with the fact the game has gone extreamly stale, and it needs some fun elements back alot of them.:D

[SaintDragon7777]

Yes the game has become stale. I totally agree on that but bringing back BLS isn't the way. I have him used him and feels sorry for the guy tahts gonna get hit by him and am frustrated when he appears and hit me for extremely big damage or remove my monsters when they see a face down card. Not every deck needs to run 3x smashing grounds and 3x sakuretsu armors just to combat that monstracity.

I usually run 19 20 monsters during the time when pot and graceful was still around and does very well against any card and anystrategy my opponent throws at me but for deck like these the only card that i have teh most trouble against is BLS.

What we need is draw power to put the fun back in the game. Its jsut not that fun if you can't get combos together. also we need cards like metamorphisis back at 3 or 2s.

To balance out the game japan went to the extreme by completely distroying goat control and booted out the last of the broken mosnters. This was good move but they overdid it just alittle. Then upperdeck went a step ahead and killed off tribe and reduced magician and nobleman to 1. This i though was a pretty good move. then they went alittle too far and gotten rid of pot and restriced book of taryu.

[Paladinseer007]

Yes the game has become stale. I totally agree on that but bringing back BLS isn't the way. I have him used him and feels sorry for the guy tahts gonna get hit by him and am frustrated when he appears and hit me for extremely big damage or remove my monsters when they see a face down card. Not every deck needs to run 3x smashing grounds and 3x sakuretsu armors just to combat that monstracity.

I usually run 19 20 monsters during the time when pot and graceful was still around and does very well against any card and anystrategy my opponent throws at me but for deck like these the only card that i have teh most trouble against is BLS.

What we need is draw power to put the fun back in the game. Its jsut not that fun if you can't get combos together. also we need cards like metamorphisis back at 3 or 2s.

To balance out the game japan went to the extreme by completely distroying goat control and booted out the last of the broken mosnters. This was good move but they overdid it just alittle. Then upperdeck went a step ahead and killed off tribe and reduced magician and nobleman to 1. This i though was a pretty good move. then they went alittle too far and gotten rid of pot and restriced book of taryu.

I agree with you on we need pot and graceful back in the mix. But I think that in someways BLS is the answer, their isn't a whole lot of challenge in the game.Besides BLS didn't pose a problem in the last format, and of course strategically speaking it isn't that hard to destroy or have him discarded to your opponents graveyard.More to the point, another effective way to stop his summoning use cards like soul release or kycoo's effect to remove two monsters from your opponent's graveyard from play, in that way it would cause your opponent's plan to backfire without able to summon him, and pave the way for certain scenarios where he can't bring back any monsters to attack or defend against. So in other words, use your opponent's BLS's summoning to either stall or stop your opponent completely.:D

[Exiled]

I agree with you on we need pot and graceful back in the mix. But I think that in someways BLS is the answer, their isn't a whole lot of challenge in the game.Besides BLS didn't pose a problem in the last format, and of course strategically speaking it isn't that hard to destroy or have him discarded to your opponents graveyard.More to the point, another effective way to stop his summoning use cards like soul release or kycoo's effect to remove two monsters from your opponent's graveyard from play, in that way it would cause your opponent's plan to backfire without able to summon him, and pave the way for certain scenarios where he can't bring back any monsters to attack or defend against. So in other words, use your opponent's BLS's summoning to either stall or stop your opponent completely.:D
Not Pose a Problem? Are You Kidding Me.

[Paladinseer007]

Not Pose a Problem? Are You Kidding Me.

Well let me ask you this, would you rather face BLS or CED?:)

[Relinquished]

Well let me ask you this, would you rather face BLS or CED?:)

That has absolutely nothing to do with a discussion about BLS. I know the point that you're trying to bring up "BLS is less of a threat". It has no relevance.

[wingzero001]

well if bls did stay off this ban list his power wouldnt be as bad as people think the reason why im saying this is becouse of all the monther remove going around smashing sak's i just dont really feel like listing the rest of them is bls was still off every body would run him but the down side is with pot and all the drawl power gone its a lil harder to pump light and dark to the grave that right there is both bls and ced weakness theres way more darks out there and not so many good lights u got dons reaper tomato's theres only 3lights that really get play any more and that is cyber dragon d.d warrior lady and magician of faith now people run 2 or 3 cyber dragong but there are way to many darks to list most of the time ud have more dark in the grave then light plus alot of earth monsters are getting play so i really dont think u could get lights and darks into the grave quick cyber dragon could be in the grave then a sangan or some thing i just dont know if luster would work right now in this format yeah hes a good card but its good to have like 6 or 7 lights and darks to make sure u have the right count if u have no lights and darks in the grane no luster on ced no chaos monsters alot of time people dont really see chaos weakness they just sit there and just want the card gone if u get rid of the lights and darks no luster its as easy as that right now it wouldnt matter if he came back or not with the game as slow as it is no drawl power crappy sets and every thing just being about gx cards like the e hero's if luster ever came off it might be to late cuz the game could very well be dead if any body agrees say so i wanna see what every body has to say thanks every body

[Relinquished]

well if bls did stay off this ban list his power wouldnt be as bad as people think the reason why im saying this is becouse of all the monther remove going around smashing sak's i just dont really feel like listing the rest of them is bls was still off every body would run him but the down side is with pot and all the drawl power gone its a lil harder to pump light and dark to the grave that right there is both bls and ced weakness theres way more darks out there and not so many good lights u got dons reaper tomato's theres only 3lights that really get play any more and that is cyber dragon d.d warrior lady and magician of faith now people run 2 or 3 cyber dragong but there are way to many darks to list most of the time ud have more dark in the grave then light plus alot of earth monsters are getting play so i really dont think u could get lights and darks into the grave quick cyber dragon could be in the grave then a sangan or some thing i just dont know if luster would work right now in this format yeah hes a good card but its good to have like 6 or 7 lights and darks to make sure u have the right count if u have no lights and darks in the grane no luster on ced no chaos monsters alot of time people dont really see chaos weakness they just sit there and just want the card gone if u get rid of the lights and darks no luster its as easy as that right now it wouldnt matter if he came back or not with the game as slow as it is no drawl power crappy sets and every thing just being about gx cards like the e hero's if luster ever came off it might be to late cuz the game could very well be dead if any body agrees say so i wanna see what every body has to say thanks every body

That was kinda tough to read. Using some basic puncuation could really help get your point across easier.

We had all of those removal cards and more last format. Take the removal cards you listed, add in Mirror Force, Tribe-Infecting Virus, and Ring of Destruction. Yet with all of that, BLS was still a problem last format, and would be again if he was unbanned.

On a side note. I would agree with you about the game dying, but the majority of people like getting useless anime cards. Go figure.

[wingzero001]

im sorry im not the neatest writer in the world ill admit that the point i was trying to make there are less lights to use more darks and alot of earth as well with pot of greed and all the other cards gone that let us drawl its harder to get lights and darks in the grave there are way more dark types and earth types out and with lights being down with maybe just 3 good ones to use i just really couldnt see luster being a real problem with monster remove even if he did come out he might not stay on the field for very long also people would just use the remove from play effect more then the dubble attack effect i really dont wanna see the game die but if things keep going the way they are right now it may very well die with them being all crazy about e hero cards and these other cards that just out right SUCK and u will not see me play e hero's at all not my type of cards plus they are only good when u fuse them other then that just no little kids are really the only people who play those decks if u stop a e hero deck from fusen toghter the deck is done your just dealing with alot of normal type monters with 1600 being the bigest normal e hero that i know of ill work on my typen and ever thing

[Exiled]

Well let me ask you this, would you rather face BLS or CED?:)
Neither - Filler -

[PMasterS]

Well let me ask you this, would you rather face BLS or CED?:)


CED hands down.

[5610]

Well let me ask you this, would you rather face BLS or CED?:)


Bring on the dragon. My decks are top decking whores.

[-bubbleman-]

BLS is more of a threat than CED. All CED does is even out the field black luster swings it heavily in the controllers favor. It's at least a 2-1 and can be a whole lot more...then there are the exceeding large amounts of damage it deals. BLS is the most broken card ever printed may it linger forever in the nether world that is the banned list. i think ced is its it own otk bls has evry weakness except i high attack and removal but i still dont think it should be takin off neither with ced

[Paladinseer007]

Neither - Filler -

you know I wasn't looking for neither as answer.:)

[Sonicmaster4]

Well let me ask you this, would you rather face BLS or CED?:)

CED would be much easier to face down in this format, considering that it puts your opponent in the same boat when its effect goes off. With all the topdecking in the current meta, decks tend to topdeck pretty well. And it's always more fun to see a dragon than it is a warrior. ;)

[Exiled]

you know I wasn't looking for neither as answer.:)
Well, its the truth but If I was forced to have a choice, I'd go with the Dragon provided that Sangan is banned

[DemonGod3]

Well let me ask you this, would you rather face BLS or CED?:)

I would rather see the dragon... BLS has a lot of support as a warrior, even if discarded Warrior Returning Alive would bring it back when needed...

One banned card I would like to see come off is Mirage of Nightmare... sure it lets you draw a lot, but it requires cards to support its use...:D

[rcj36]

The card is crap,light/dark wham...a complete idiot can use it and they were using it.I wouldn't mind if it came back but I'm glad it's DEAD DEAD DEAD!!!

[wingzero001]

hey clam down man yeah its gone and yes most people could use it but with there not being so many lights out there and more darks it would be a lil harder to get him out its easy to stop him from comen out u put a kycoo in your deck 2 or 3 get those lights and darks removed from the game luster is not a problem if he did come out u could bottomless him smashing ground him sak him and those type of cards get rid of the lights and darks luster is done cant bring him out its as simple as that it would be cool if he came back id use kycoo again get rid of lights and darks PLUS his secound effect as long as he is face up your oppent cant not remove cards from eaither people's grave the game is way to slow and crappy right now no drawl power thats what i gotta say

[Paladinseer007]

hey clam down man yeah its gone and yes most people could use it but with there not being so many lights out there and more darks it would be a lil harder to get him out its easy to stop him from comen out u put a kycoo in your deck 2 or 3 get those lights and darks removed from the game luster is not a problem if he did come out u could bottomless him smashing ground him sak him and those type of cards get rid of the lights and darks luster is done cant bring him out its as simple as that it would be cool if he came back id use kycoo again get rid of lights and darks PLUS his secound effect as long as he is face up your oppent cant not remove cards from eaither people's grave the game is way to slow and crappy right now no drawl power thats what i gotta say

I agree with that, I said something similar a while ago about using kycoo to stop BLS's summoning.:D

[ZanarkandAce]

I don't know if anyone posted this, but I heard rumor that BLS is staying on the list, and Chaos Emperor Dragon is leaving...

[Typhoon]

BLS is unbalanced: it's to powerful. Chaos Sorcerer on the other hand IS balanced.
I don't think either Envoy wil return

[Indignation]

Well let me ask you this, would you rather face BLS or CED?:)
Since I never answered your question before (only with neither as an answer) I'll answer it now. :D

I would rather face BLS. In this meta, I almost always have the upper hand advantage and sometimes by far. I would not want an opponent topdecking CED and ruining it right there. I also wouldn't want an opponent to play heavy storm and summon CED, attack, and then blow up to deal mass damage. At least when you have the advantage you have some kind of control to deal with BLS. I would not want to have to run Kycoos so I can stop either of the envoys easier either.

BLS and CED are mostly used as easy finishers. CED excels almost at highest priority at ending games when you want to. BLS needs more of a set up to end games easily. Yes it does take skill to use them properly but even without skill it is extremely easy to end games with them.

[Scarlet Spider]

I don't know if anyone posted this, but I heard rumor that BLS is staying on the list, and Chaos Emperor Dragon is leaving...

I hear the same rumor every list. I severely doubt that will ever happen

Additional Comment:
BLS is unbalanced: it's to powerful. Chaos Sorcerer on the other hand IS balanced.
I don't think either Envoy wil return
BINGO

The current meta is finally one that won't run exclusively off of Light and Dark monsters. As long as either Envoy is played, every top finishing deck ever made will be some sort of Chaos hybrid, period.

Chaos would be about as broken if it were reintroduced, mainly because we have so many better Light monsters than ever before. The Lightening Gears (or whatever they are called) would make the incredibly easy task of summoning whichever Envoy you have even easier, and quite frankly I wouldn't like to see that.

Slowly, but surely, more original decks are being played thanks to the ban lists that we are recieving. While I do have to agree that the current meta is stale, it is considerably less stale than it was six months ago when the game usually went to whoever drew into the trinity first.

Every card banned now (with the possible exception of Mirror Force) will more than likely stay banned. The American game has evolved further from the OCG, which is a trend I believe will continue.

Finally, I have said it before, and I will say it again, every list we have had up to this point has been solely made to destroy whichever Tier 1 decks have dominated. Not once has an old deck type been 'reintroduced' after its key cards have been banned. I am pretty sure at this point that BLS will never return, simply based off of the ban list trends we have seen over the past year and a half.

[Paladinseer007]

Since I never answered your question before (only with neither as an answer) I'll answer it now. :D

I would rather face BLS. In this meta, I almost always have the upper hand advantage and sometimes by far. I would not want an opponent topdecking CED and ruining it right there. I also wouldn't want an opponent to play heavy storm and summon CED, attack, and then blow up to deal mass damage. At least when you have the advantage you have some kind of control to deal with BLS. I would not want to have to run Kycoos so I can stop either of the envoys easier either.

BLS and CED are mostly used as easy finishers. CED excels almost at highest priority at ending games when you want to. BLS needs more of a set up to end games easily. Yes it does take skill to use them properly but even without skill it is extremely easy to end games with them.

Okay, I will say that your point is very valid and well said. But that wasn't the question I was about to ask you, but I'm glad you got the gist of my point in form of a question. The question I was going to ask you before was, why have you gone from mocking and insulting to helping me all of the sudden?

[King Zulu]

The question I was going to ask you before was, why have you gone from mocking and insulting to helping me all of the sudden?

It's called a discussion.

To all those whining about BLS, you have Mr.Chaos Sorceror. He's balanced, so play him.

[Paladinseer007]

It's called a discussion.

To all those whining about BLS, you have Mr.Chaos Sorceror. He's balanced, so play him.

First of all I wasn't talking to you Zulu, and with Sorceror I would not say that it's balanced.:D

[Indignation]

I haven't insulted you. I am helping you since you seem to take things way too seriously (and sometimes way to unserious) in these threads. I am helping you so this situation doesn't happen again.

First of all, let me say this for one you don't know if it would come off the list, because I believe there is a possibility that it could come off the list. :D

I did mock you when you posted that because that response was completely opinionated and your only back up was "I believe it will come off". I didn't say I knew weather BLS would come off the list but gave my opinion with a reason. You just shouldn't have quoted me and replied like that. That post is pretty close to spam.

Anyway you haven't posted anything like that for a while so why would I continue mocking or bothering you? And if you did keep posting posts like the quoted one then after a while it gets boring to reply to the same kind of posts so I would stop anyway.

EDIT:

First of all I wasn't talking to you Zulu, and with Sorceror I would not say that it's balanced.:D
CS is not balanced but it is pretty close and much more (realistically) tolerable.

[Paladinseer007]

I haven't insulted you. I am helping you since you seem to take things way too seriously (and sometimes way to unserious) in these threads. I am helping you so this situation doesn't happen again.



I did mock you when you posted that because that response was completely opinionated and your only back up was "I believe it will come off". I didn't say I knew weather BLS would come off the list but gave my opinion with a reason. You just shouldn't have quoted me and replied like that. That post is pretty close to spam.

Anyway you haven't posted anything like that for a while so why would I continue mocking or bothering you? And if you did keep posting posts like the quoted one then after a while it gets boring to reply to the same kind of posts so I would stop anyway.

EDIT:


CS is not balanced but it is pretty close and much more (realistically) tolerable.

Other people have given and said the same thing as you quoteted me on about BLS not coming back. And at the time I said that I was making the point of to not make assumptions about wheather or not a card is coming off the banlist or not. To that point saying that someone who card got banned from jimmy, and go on what he told that person. So do you understand why I said that now?

[Exiled]

uh Paladinseer, why do you want BLS Back?

[Indignation]

Other people have given and said the same thing as you quoteted me on about BLS not coming back. And at the time I said that I was making the point of to not make assumptions about wheather or not a card is coming off the banlist or not. To that point saying that someone who card got banned from jimmy, and go on what he told that person. So do you understand why I said that now?
I understand what you are saying but the thing is we have the right to assume and we will assume what we want. If more people agree on something else then that is what most likely is going to happen. If UDE finds more people want POG back then people that don't then they will probably bring it back. So us assuming things is just stating what we think might or might not happen. In the end it is an opinion anyway.

[Paladinseer007]

I understand what you are saying but the thing is we have the right to assume and we will assume what we want. If more people agree on something else then that is what most likely is going to happen. If UDE finds more people want POG back then people that don't then they will probably bring it back. So us assuming things is just stating what we think might or might not happen. In the end it is an opinion anyway.

Well that maybe the case, but there might be a guy at UDE who might say " Well we should bring back CED, to bring back fun into the game". And of course there is going to be someone out of a lot of people who might think the opposite of what others want banned, which falls under the old saying " In life, things don't always go the way you planned them". Now of course I'm not saying that "Hey, I've got alot more control or I'm the one to cause the scale to go in my favor". But before assumptions become the final word here, I would like to say to you and everybody else that there could be the possibility that BLS could come off the list, if so can people handle that result if it happened?

[wingzero001]

Well that maybe the case, but there might be a guy at UDE who might say " Well we should bring back CED, to bring back fun into the game". And of course there is going to be someone out of a lot of people who might think the opposite of what others want banned, which falls under the old saying " In life, things don't always go the way you planned them". Now of course I'm not saying that "Hey, I've got alot more control or I'm the one to cause the scale to go in my favor". But before assumptions become the final word here, I would like to say to you and everybody else that there could be the possibility that BLS could come off the list, if so can people handle that result if it happened?


i understand where your comen from if bls did come off there are easy ways to fix the problem all u have to do is get rid of lights and darks from there grave and theres no other way to bring him out i could handle his return becouse i know how to get rid of him plus with lights hardly being played and more darks then thats another thing that could stop him yeah all u need is 1 LIGHT and 1 DARK but if u have kycoo on the field or some other card that stops some 1 from messing with the grave then bls is not comen out if he does there are alot of things that could happen to him bottomless him snatch and remove him from the game and many other things but alot of time people cant get those cards so bls does come out and mess every thing up some people just dont think about ways to stop him and think more about how much of a pain he is IF he comes into play if he ever does return alot of people would not be happy all u have to do is use the cards weakness his being lights and darks in the grave u get rid of a dark and keep a light in there hes not comen out if u remove a dark and all they have is lights hes not comen out so just think smart and find ways to counter him comen out

[SaintDragon7777]

If he comes back oviously we will have to to bare with it. But its not easy to stop BLS or CED. Theirs a way but its not easy. Most duelist who has been playing for at least 6 months should know when to bring him out. better light mosnters are coming too. Kycoo wont stay on the field nor will it hit the life much if 3x sak, 3x smashing grounds and 2x CB are still running around.

[Indignation]

i understand where your comen from if bls did come off there are easy ways to fix the problem all u have to do is get rid of lights and darks from there grave and theres no other way to bring him out i could handle his return becouse i know how to get rid of him plus with lights hardly being played and more darks then thats another thing that could stop him yeah all u need is 1 LIGHT and 1 DARK but if u have kycoo on the field or some other card that stops some 1 from messing with the grave then bls is not comen out if he does there are alot of things that could happen to him bottomless him snatch and remove him from the game and many other things but alot of time people cant get those cards so bls does come out and mess every thing up some people just dont think about ways to stop him and think more about how much of a pain he is IF he comes into play if he ever does return alot of people would not be happy all u have to do is use the cards weakness his being lights and darks in the grave u get rid of a dark and keep a light in there hes not comen out if u remove a dark and all they have is lights hes not comen out so just think smart and find ways to counter him comen out
Think of it this way. Was BLS stopped most of the time last format? No and thats why people complained and also thats why almost everyone had it in their deck. If it was so easy to stop then most of the matches in top 8 SJC and regionals wouldn't have been effected much but they were.

You can put all those cards you said in your deck and you can play an expert player and he will just wait till your defensless and win (which is how it is supposed to be used). If you play it out of nowhere when it could easliy be more in your favor later then you would probably lose. It is not skill but common sense to use powerful cards.

[Paladinseer007]

Let me also raise another issue to people, all of us know that the game is changing and I'm refering to coming out with more cards to support certain decks. I would like to point out that in the near future there are going to be more cards coming out that will pose maybe even a greater challenge to BLS. With that being said to some people who want it banned still have you even considered the possibility along with if does come back can you deal with the result. But besides that point, have you ever even considered that you maybe saying good bye to an asset. Seriously, with more cards that keep on coming out there is going to be something out there even more powerful than either of the envoys. If it does get banned, then maybe in the next year or more, konami and UDE may create something more stronger than the envoys. Then we may discover that the envoys are the answer to this future problem, in otherwords what was once a problem could be anyone's greatest asset, with the fact that BLS and CED are now promo cards found in master collection or lost millinium so people can have more access to these cards.Before you decide anything else, let me ask this can anyone here afford to take that chance?

[Exiled]

Let me also raise another issue to people, all of us know that the game is changing and I'm refering to coming out with more cards to support certain decks. I would like to point out that in the near future there are going to be more cards coming out that will pose maybe even a greater challenge to BLS. With that being said to some people who want it banned still have you even considered the possibility along with if does come back can you deal with the result. But besides that point, have you ever even considered that you maybe saying good bye to an asset. Seriously, with more cards that keep on coming out there is going to be something out there even more powerful than either of the envoys. If it does get banned, then maybe in the next year or more, konami and UDE may create something more stronger than the envoys. Then we may discover that the envoys are the answer to this future problem, in otherwords what was once a problem could be anyone's greatest asset, with the fact that BLS and CED are now promo cards found in master collection or lost millinium so people can have more access to these cards.Before you decide anything else, let me ask this can anyone here afford to take that chance?
I will ask the question again. Why Do You Want BLS Back? You obviously know it's powerful, still you'd go to great lengths to bring it back. Why?

[Paladinseer007]

I will ask the question again. Why Do You Want BLS Back? You obviously know it's powerful, still you'd go to great lengths to bring it back. Why?

Sorry about that, as I told mrexodia before I want it back so I can play it again. But with that said and putting it aside, as I said before the people who want it still banned I think that BLS could be an asset in the near future. Because there is always going to be more cards made for this game, which may prove to be more of a threat in the near future.If BLS did get banned the end result could pave the way for a bigger threat than the envoys. And if that happened then maybe the solution to that could be one of the envoys or both of them. So aside from what I want, I think that BLS could prove to be an asset in the near future of the game.:)

[Exiled]

Sorry about that, as I told mrexodia before I want it back so I can play it again. But with that said and putting it aside, as I said before the people who want it still banned I think that BLS could be an asset in the near future. Because there is always going to be more cards made for this game, which may prove to be more of a threat in the near future.If BLS did get banned the end result could pave the way for a bigger threat than the envoys. And if that happened then maybe the solution to that could be one of the envoys or both of them. So aside from what I want, I think that BLS could prove to be an asset in the near future of the game.:)
Well aside from that, it shouldn't come back, not in this time. Also cards with greater game ending power as the chaos monsters and yata shouldn't be created in the first place. I somewhat agree with you but there are better alternatives

[Paladinseer007]

Well aside from that, it shouldn't come back, not in this time. Also cards with greater game ending power as the chaos monsters and yata shouldn't be created in the first place. I somewhat agree with you but there are better alternatives

" Chaos monsters and yata shouldn't be created in the first place". It's a little late to say that, let me repeat my question that I said hours before today, Can you afford to take that chance of getting BLS banned along with CED then realizing that BLS or both of them could be a solution to more cards created in the near future, So can you afford to take that kind of a chance?

[Exiled]

" Chaos monsters and yata shouldn't be created in the first place". It's a little late to say that, let me repeat my question that I said hours before today, Can you afford to take that chance of getting BLS banned along with CED then realizing that BLS or both of them could be a solution to more cards created in the near future, So can you afford to take that kind of a chance?
You've seem to miss 3 words in my response

"Game Ending Power"

I said cards like their power, not their simularity (sp?) but OMGZors broken, which these 3 cards are.

You also missed another 3 words

"Shouldn't be Created"

I'll ask you another question. Why do you think the solution to a powerful card is another powerful card?

[Paladinseer007]

You've seem to miss 3 words in my response

"Game Ending Power"

I said cards like their power, not their simularity (sp?) but OMGZors broken, which these 3 cards are.

You also missed another 3 words

"Shouldn't be Created"

I'll ask you another question. Why do you think the solution to a powerful card is another powerful card?

Okay first of all, I know what you meant by gameending power I'm not a novice. And I know what the pharse shouldn't be created means because I'm not stupid. My answer to your question is to give a sense of balance, meaning with the obvious scenario I told you before about there may be more cards that may exceed to be a problem in the near future the same way as the envoys. Meaning BLS or both of them can stand up to these certain cards of the future, in turn giving whoever uses the envoys a fighting chance against cards of the future. What may prove to be a problem in the near future is the cyber dragons, meaning that so far they have their effect alone to be special summoned by no cost given the obvious scenario, then we have cyber barrier and laser dragons to negate an attack and destroy one monster on the field. If konami goes in this direction with these particular cards I'm willing to believe that another card would actually be created maybe equal in power of both envoys. And you know what they about that kind of scenario you need to fight fire with fire. do you understand?

[Exiled]

Okay first of all, I know what you meant by gameending power I'm not a novice. And I know what the pharse shouldn't be created means because I'm not stupid. My answer to your question is to give a sense of balance, meaning with the obvious scenario I told you before about there may be more cards that may exceed to be a problem in the near future the same way as the envoys. Meaning BLS or both of them can stand up to these certain cards of the future, in turn giving whoever uses the envoys a fighting chance against cards of the future. What may prove to be a problem in the near future is the cyber dragons, meaning that so far they have their effect alone to be special summoned by no cost given the obvious scenario, then we have cyber barrier and laser dragons to negate an attack and destroy one monster on the field. If konami goes in this direction with these particular cards I'm willing to believe that another card would actually be created maybe equal in power of both envoys. And you know what they about that kind of scenario you need to fight fire with fire. do you understand?
If you know what I said, why did you say this when I never meant that?

Chaos monsters and yata shouldn't be created in the first place". It's a little late to say that

There won't be balance until almost every card is CC Material. 2 - 5 cards won't cut it. People would just run one or the other. The direction Konami is heading for is balance, not brokeness. Whenever Many Cards that possess the power of the banned cards comes out, then BLS is a good contender. Other than that, No.

[Paladinseer007]

If you know what I said, why did you say this when I never meant that?



There won't be balance until almost every card is CC Material. 2 - 5 cards won't cut it. People would just run one or the other. The direction Konami is heading for is balance, not brokeness. Whenever Many Cards that possess the power of the banned cards comes out, then BLS is a good contender. Other than that, No.

Okay, but I believe that there is another way to stop BLS entirely in a duel, has anyone thought of the prohibition spell card from the psv series before?:)

[DemonGod3]

Okay, but I believe that there is another way to stop BLS entirely in a duel, has anyone thought of the prohibition spell card from the psv series before?:)

With all of the magic and trap destruction out now and coming out, I doubt that would last too long, or just long enough to set you up for finishing blow. To be honest, I had no problem with BLS in the last format, but I was also happy when he was banned, mainly cause one friend of mine completely relied on him to win... I loved the look on his face when the list was announced, :-D

It will be interesting to see what the next list holds... Can't wait to see what Japan does with thier list in March to get an idea of what is to come...

[Paladinseer007]

With all of the magic and trap destruction out now and coming out, I doubt that would last too long, or just long enough to set you up for finishing blow. To be honest, I had no problem with BLS in the last format, but I was also happy when he was banned, mainly cause one friend of mine completely relied on him to win... I loved the look on his face when the list was announced, :-D

It will be interesting to see what the next list holds... Can't wait to see what Japan does with thier list in March to get an idea of what is to come...

Tell me something, when in march does it come out and where can I find their list?

[wingzero001]

it will come out on march the 1st seeing how the list comes out on the 1st here the link to a site i found that has the list http://www.scrollrack.com/japanese/forbiddenlimitedlists.html u can see how diffrent there list is and are list is

[Exiled]

Okay, but I believe that there is another way to stop BLS entirely in a duel, has anyone thought of the prohibition spell card from the psv series before?:)
A Person killed me with that when he used 2 Prohibitions on Tomato and Reaper. Couldn't Draw Heavy in Time

[Paladinseer007]

A Person killed me with that when he used 2 Prohibitions on Tomato and Reaper. Couldn't Draw Heavy in Time

Well has anybody used that card on BLS besides the obvious ways to destroy him? I think if people use prohibition along with cards that have discarding effects a person can use prohibition to stop BLS coming onto the field while in the meantime using cards like Kycoo, don zaloog, and vampire lord, etc. So has anyone tried this strategy that I'm talking about Exiled?:)

Additional Comment:
it will come out on march the 1st seeing how the list comes out on the 1st here the link to a site i found that has the list http://www.scrollrack.com/japanese/forbiddenlimitedlists.html u can see how diffrent there list is and are list is

Thanks for the information, wingzero.:D

[DanTheTimid]

First off for those who want BLS back but wholly admit his power, they just want to play it again, I direct you toward traditional format. I remember a few months ago we had some people in my area who were feeling nostalgic for the bad ol days and propositioned myself (as the head judge) for a traditional tournament and I had no problem with holding it. Since then we've stuck to traditional and I haven't had any prompts for another traditional format so apparently once was enough to satisfie them, but anyway the point I'm trying to make is if they don't hold traditional in your area, just ask if they can hold one. It doesn't hurt to ask, and if you have enough people who feel the same way in your area I don't see why a tournament organizer should mind.

As for my feelings on BLS, I'm quite happy with him on the ban list and hope he stays that way, though after dark hole came back I really can't say that he won't be back. The very fact his far inferior cousin chaos sorcerer is still seeing use in top level play is proof enough that BLS was too powerful. As long as chaos sorcerer remains at 3 chaos can still be a viable theme and while BLS may have been unfairly good, chaos sorcerer is still quite solid in his own right, just not unfairly so. Thats just my humble opinion anyway.

[Paladinseer007]

First off for those who want BLS back but wholly admit his power, they just want to play it again, I direct you toward traditional format. I remember a few months ago we had some people in my area who were feeling nostalgic for the bad ol days and propositioned myself (as the head judge) for a traditional tournament and I had no problem with holding it. Since then we've stuck to traditional and I haven't had any prompts for another traditional format so apparently once was enough to satisfie them, but anyway the point I'm trying to make is if they don't hold traditional in your area, just ask if they can hold one. It doesn't hurt to ask, and if you have enough people who feel the same way in your area I don't see why a tournament organizer should mind.

As for my feelings on BLS, I'm quite happy with him on the ban list and hope he stays that way, though after dark hole came back I really can't say that he won't be back. The very fact his far inferior cousin chaos sorcerer is still seeing use in top level play is proof enough that BLS was too powerful. As long as chaos sorcerer remains at 3 chaos can still be a viable theme and while BLS may have been unfairly good, chaos sorcerer is still quite solid in his own right, just not unfairly so. Thats just my humble opinion anyway.

Just out of curiousity, did you read the scenario on how to deal with BLS besides the obvious of course. I've heard that people tried to destroy him in the obvious but well known ways, which I put out the idea of prohibition along with discarding cards, and to add to my idea if BLS got discarded then a person can use soul release or a kycoo to attack and use his effect, what do you think?:)

[DanTheTimid]

Just out of curiousity, did you read the scenario on how to deal with BLS besides the obvious of course. I've heard that people tried to destroy him in the obvious but well known ways, which I put out the idea of prohibition along with discarding cards, and to add to my idea if BLS got discarded then a person can use soul release or a kycoo to attack and use his effect, what do you think?:)

See its not so much that your stratedgy wouldn't work, the issue is that you shouldn't be forced to build your deck just to counter a single card. Heck we have cards like anti-raigeki but raigeki still is banned, and we have white-hole but even with dark hole back it doesn't see any play. BLS didn't always win every game while he was unbanned, but typically the decks that focused on stopping BLS still lost because they spent so much time trying to stop BLS that they got beat by something else. The only consistant way to deal with BLS was to use him yourself and hope you got him out first which is why he was in all the top decks.

[Exiled]

Well has anybody used that card on BLS besides the obvious ways to destroy him? I think if people use prohibition along with cards that have discarding effects a person can use prohibition to stop BLS coming onto the field while in the meantime using cards like Kycoo, don zaloog, and vampire lord, etc. So has anyone tried this strategy that I'm talking about Exiled?:)

Additional Comment:


Thanks for the information, wingzero.:D
Not really but Prohibition is very inconsistent and requires alot of luck on their part. If that was your case, then people would run 3 Prohibitions in their deck. Still like I said, there are counters to everything. That is not the reason a card should come back. Hell Raigeki can be countered by Magic Jammer but you don't see people running that do you?

[Paladinseer007]

See its not so much that your stratedgy wouldn't work, the issue is that you shouldn't be forced to build your deck just to counter a single card. Heck we have cards like anti-raigeki but raigeki still is banned, and we have white-hole but even with dark hole back it doesn't see any play. BLS didn't always win every game while he was unbanned, but typically the decks that focused on stopping BLS still lost because they spent so much time trying to stop BLS that they got beat by something else. The only consistant way to deal with BLS was to use him yourself and hope you got him out first which is why he was in all the top decks.

That isn't not entirely my point, using prohibition to stop BLS was my key point. But I also suggested other discarding methods along with removing from play methods as well. I wasn't trying to suggest another deck I was suggesting these keypoints as I told you before to stop him summoning with prohibition and then get it discarded then remove him from play, do you understand what I'm trying to say?:)

[DanTheTimid]

That isn't not entirely my point, using prohibition to stop BLS was my key point. But I also suggested other discarding methods along with removing from play methods as well. I wasn't trying to suggest another deck I was suggesting these keypoints as I told you before to stop him summoning with prohibition and then get it discarded then remove him from play, do you understand what I'm trying to say?:)

I understand (I think anyway) what your trying to say, but as Exiled already elegantly put it, there is a counter for every card in the game but that doesn't change the fact certain cards were (and are) just too good. Back when BLS was around many people tryed running kycoos, heck some tryed running grave keepers since their key card necrovalley is a significant pain in Chao's side. But it didn't change anything, BLS was still a staple in nearly every top tier deck. With the still quite powerful Chaos Sorcerer in existence I just don't see the need for BLS to return. Chaos Sorcerer is to BLS what brain control is to change of heart, or lightning vortex is to raigeki. He allows you the same play experience but with an effect and stats that are more fair for the cost.

[RagingHorus]

Does anyone think the Black Luster soilder envoy of the begining is going to come off the band list :confused:


Seriously doubt it, when it was allowed it was the center of most decks. Also, they finally banned it. I don't think they'll bring it off the list until there is a serious counter to it.

[Paladinseer007]

Seriously doubt it, when it was allowed it was the center of most decks. Also, they finally banned it. I don't think they'll bring it off the list until there is a serious counter to it.

Well, why not use it's greatest strength against BLS.:D

[Chaosangel777]

May BLS remain in eternal darkness we don't need someone like him back in the world of YUGIOH.

[Paladinseer007]

May BLS remain in eternal darkness we don't need someone like him back in the world of YUGIOH.

Am I the only one who is thinking in the strategic sense but I guess it's only me.

[DanTheTimid]

Am I the only one who is thinking in the strategic sense but I guess it's only me.

The problem is we're all suffering from a "been there, done that" feeling. I for one have been playing since LoB, I played during the post bans chaos reign, and I played during the last ban in which BLS was un-banned. Since BLS came out, decks that ran him almost always won more then decks that didn't. Many people tryed different things, tryed to use kycoo and all kinds of other weird stratedgies to make a deck with out BLS that could beat BLS... but in the end every week it seemed the people who ran BLS were the ones in the finals.

Even if a stratedgy was developed that allowed a deck to beat one with BLS more times then it lost, the game would be simplified down to 2 deck types, BLS/chaos and Anti-Bls/chaos. Personally I enjoy very much not having to limit myself mainly to lights and darks when building my decks, or dedicating a good portion of my decks to cards specifically to counter BLS. Chaos sorcerer still fills my chaos urge when I'm looking for some old school chaos play, but he's not dominating the tournamentscene which is letting us try different strategies.

[Paladinseer007]

Okay, I repeat I'm the only one who is thinking strategically about BLS.I think that people who want it banned are doing it for the wrong reasons.

[Relinquished]

Okay, I repeat I'm the only one who is thinking strategically about BLS.I think that people who want it banned are doing it for the wrong reasons.

Stopping an incredible power is the wrong reason.

Wanting more diversity in decks is the wrong reason.

If anything you're the only person not thinking strategically. A card having a counter has absolutely nothing to do with wether or not it can be unbanned. Half of the respones to you on this thread have said that and just continue to ignore it.

I've read your reasons for wanting it unbanned and I can't find any good reason. All you say is that you want to play with it again, that's what traditional is for.

[wingzero001]

this is all im ganna say if he comes back he comes back if he doesnt come back well then he doesnt come back he just went on and might not come off for a while then again i could be wrong there are some other cards id like to see come off yeah playing with luster was fun i think pot should should come off if dark hole goes away and i really think it will do not limit smashing ground mirror force i think we be returning once again just like normal but i really dont wanna see things like prem call snatch swords breaker the jars jinzo and many other cards baned like on some of these ban list's ive seen if they baned all those cards what else would we have left nothing to great has come out sense IOC some people wanna ban stuff from it all the way back to LOB and lets face it the newer sets arent the greatest me personaly id like them to bring back some cards that havent really come off the list yata was 1 of my favorite cards id like to see how it would run with CED and WITCH gone if u burn your hand and u get hit with yata well then thats what u get for burning your hand as far as luster goes im not sure what will happen to him he's really easy to grab up thses days so pretty much any body could get him he was from IOC then reprinted in the master book and now DR2 i want more drawl power and more fun not more un fun and less cards to use to drawl cards does any body really agree with any thing i said?

[Nanya]

If you break down the banned cards, you find that BLS-Envoy is really just a mid-level card.

I mean, Emperor Dragon, Yata, Monster Reborn, Raigeki, Feather Duster, Imperial Order, and Witch of the Black Forest have been there forever.

Those cards are the absolute most powerful in the game. Witch is the weakest of the group, but they're all up there.

Then you have Scientist, Makyura, and Fiber Jar. All of which were really powerful with their effects.

Mirage of Nightmares, Painful Choice, Pot, Graceful, Sinister and Mirror Force are all pretty good for any deck.

Then you have the hand disruptors and Dark Hole (which has been banned), along with Butterfly Dagger.

As for the ratings of the banned cards (including Confinscation and Dark Hole)

1 - Yata-Garasu
2 - Chaos Emperor Dragon - Envoy of the End
3 - Raigeki
4 - Harpie's Feather Duster
5 - Monster Reborn
6 - Dark Hole
7 - Imperial Order
8 - Change of Heart
9 - Fiber Jar
10 - Delinquent Duo
11- Pot of Greed
12- Black Luster Soldier - Envoy of the Beginning
13- Graceful Charity
14- Mirror Force
15- The Forceful Sentry
16- Magical Scientist
17- Makyura the Destructor
18- Ring of Destruction
19- Mirage of Nightmares
20- Painful Choice
21- Tribe-Infecting Virus
22- Sinister Serpent
23- Witch of the Black Forest
24- Confinscation
25- Butterfly Dagger - Elma

Just my rankings of the cards. If you could have one banned card back, you'd go for the higher up cards first.

[Netdecker]

Before we go and blab that BLS is broken. Take a look on how MORE so broken the meta would be with something like Raigeki back. Remember, BLS is only one card that does one thing. Raigeki does many things, auto feild clear with no drawback.

[Somebody]

Before we go and blab that BLS is broken. Take a look on how MORE so broken the meta would be with something like Raigeki back. Remember, BLS is only one card that does one thing. Raigeki does many things, auto feild clear with no drawback.
What are you talking about? BLS can do lots of different things, while all Raigeki can do is clear your opponents field.

[Paladinseer007]

If you break down the banned cards, you find that BLS-Envoy is really just a mid-level card.

I mean, Emperor Dragon, Yata, Monster Reborn, Raigeki, Feather Duster, Imperial Order, and Witch of the Black Forest have been there forever.

Those cards are the absolute most powerful in the game. Witch is the weakest of the group, but they're all up there.

Then you have Scientist, Makyura, and Fiber Jar. All of which were really powerful with their effects.

Mirage of Nightmares, Painful Choice, Pot, Graceful, Sinister and Mirror Force are all pretty good for any deck.

Then you have the hand disruptors and Dark Hole (which has been banned), along with Butterfly Dagger.

As for the ratings of the banned cards (including Confinscation and Dark Hole)

1 - Yata-Garasu
2 - Chaos Emperor Dragon - Envoy of the End
3 - Raigeki
4 - Harpie's Feather Duster
5 - Monster Reborn
6 - Dark Hole
7 - Imperial Order
8 - Change of Heart
9 - Fiber Jar
10 - Delinquent Duo
11- Pot of Greed
12- Black Luster Soldier - Envoy of the Beginning
13- Graceful Charity
14- Mirror Force
15- The Forceful Sentry
16- Magical Scientist
17- Makyura the Destructor
18- Ring of Destruction
19- Mirage of Nightmares
20- Painful Choice
21- Tribe-Infecting Virus
22- Sinister Serpent
23- Witch of the Black Forest
24- Confinscation
25- Butterfly Dagger - Elma

Just my rankings of the cards. If you could have one banned card back, you'd go for the higher up cards first.

Basically what your saying about BLS is that it's power doesn't come close to it's counterpart CED, correct me if I'm wrong I'm trying to understand where you are going with this.:)

[Netdecker]

What are you talking about? BLS can do lots of different things, while all Raigeki can do is clear your opponents field.

BLS has requirements to have 1 light and 1 dark into your graveyard. Raigeki has no cost, can be brought back with MoF and DMOC and in terms is more broken than BLS. Think about it before just saying BLS is broekn.

~Netdecker

[Paladinseer007]

Before we go and blab that BLS is broken. Take a look on how MORE so broken the meta would be with something like Raigeki back. Remember, BLS is only one card that does one thing. Raigeki does many things, auto feild clear with no drawback.

I agree, true that Raigeki does many things with no drawback. But I would like to add is that one of bls's effects does have a drawback just the same as chaos sorceror.:D

[Somebody]

BLS has requirements to have 1 light and 1 dark into your graveyard. Raigeki has no cost, can be brought back with MoF and DMOC and in terms is more broken than BLS. Think about it before just saying BLS is broekn.

~Netdecker
I'm not sure I'm following you here. I didn't say anything about 1 being more broken than the other. I just said that BLS has more practical uses than Raigeki.

[Paladinseer007]

I'm not sure I'm following you here. I didn't say anything about 1 being more broken than the other. I just said that BLS has more practical uses than Raigeki.

I believe what he is getting at is that BLS has costs but limitations to his effects. while Raigeki has no cost and no limitation.:)

[Nanya]

Basically what your saying about BLS is that it's power doesn't come close to it's counterpart CED, correct me if I'm wrong I'm trying to understand where you are going with this.:)
More-or-less.

The point of that list was to point out that if you could choose one banned card, you wouldn't choose BLS-Envoy.

Also, I'm not saying bring BLS-Envoy back, mind you. ;)

[Puma]

NO WAY sry too much broken!!!

[YaMiMaRiK528]

Black Luster Soldier - Envoy of the Beginning is officially off of the OCG Forbidden List for March 1. The TCG list may be different, however.

[Shiryuu]

Black Luster Soldier - Envoy of the Beginning is officially off of the OCG Forbidden List for March 1. The TCG list may be different, however.
Rub it in why dont you


^ ^

Runa

[Paladinseer007]

Black Luster Soldier - Envoy of the Beginning is officially off of the OCG Forbidden List for March 1. The TCG list may be different, however.

That maybe true, but it has a good chance of coming of the list like any other card that for a while has been banned.:D

[Alexander Anderson]

No, it shouldn't. It's broken. Anyone with a BLS could put the smackdown on a good player just because they have one. It should stay gone, end of subject.

[Paladinseer007]

No, it shouldn't. It's broken. Anyone with a BLS could put the smackdown on a good player just because they have one. It should stay gone, end of subject.

Let me ask you a question then if you don't mind, do you own a BLS?:)

[Infinity]

Im glad DDA is down to one
Im NOT happy cyber jar is restricted ( im biased to it since its been a staple in every deck ive ever made )
BLS is indeed broken beyond repair and shouldn'tve been unbanned( i can see the little kids humping legs for their BLS back )

It could have been worse.....It's okay I guess....just hope that they change the American list a little bit ( as in keep cyber jar ).

[Paladinseer007]

Im glad DDA is down to one
Im NOT happy cyber jar is restricted ( im biased to it since its been a staple in every deck ive ever made )
BLS is indeed broken beyond repair and shouldn'tve been unbanned( i can see the little kids humping legs for their BLS back )

It could have been worse.....It's okay I guess....just hope that they change the American list a little bit ( as in keep cyber jar ).

Are you kidding me with this, Look even though these lists aren't exactly official, everyone here is celebrating the fact that BLS is still banned which means " Hey kids CED is back what a good choice we all made by getting BLS banned"(sarcastic). And do you even realize that things could actually change from what we see right now to march 1st, then to april 1st for the us list, now to me it seems like most people here are in denial about BLS still banned, and I have a good idea what that end result would be.:D

[Indignation]

The cards mentioned were added to the ban list not taken from it. CED is not unbanned so calm down. That list is not THAT much different.

[Infinity]

I stated my opinion ( so no Im not kidding ) about the POSSIBLE list and DID mention the possibility of an American change.

Also I just read another thread about the other possible lists and banning of BLS....

And I dont recall seeing or saying anything about CED

[Indignation]

BLS is still banned and so is CED according to what we know.

[Paladinseer007]

The cards mentioned were added to the ban list not taken from it. CED is not unbanned so calm down. That list is not THAT much different.

Indignation, you do realize that most people who want BLS banned are in celebration mode. And they think this is a victory for in which we haven't seen japan's nor the us banlist, more to the point I prepared myself for either outcome, but the real question is if it did become true that BLS did get off the list can the people that wanted it banned in the first place deal with that.:)

[Indignation]

Indignation, you do realize that most people who want BLS banned are in celebration mode. And they think this is a victory for in which we haven't seen japan's nor the us banlist, more to the point I prepared myself for either outcome, but the real question is if it did become true that BLS did get off the list can the people that wanted it banned in the first place deal with that.:)
Well of course they can. They will just be unhappy. We have dealt with it's monstrosity power before but most will agree we are better without it. I dout it will be back at least for a long while.

[Paladinseer007]

Well of course they can. They will just be unhappy. We have dealt with it's monstrosity power before but most will agree we are better without it. I dout it will be back at least for a long while.

Really, well from what I've read so far I don't believe that some would be able to deal with it being back. What would happen is people will complain and then it will be neverending for six months, because that will be a result. And I also I believe that it might not be gone as we think, this game has always been about merging old cards from older series with new cards from newer series, in turn creating new strategies, so I highly doubt that it will be on the list permently.:D

Additional Comment:
this is all im ganna say if he comes back he comes back if he doesnt come back well then he doesnt come back he just went on and might not come off for a while then again i could be wrong there are some other cards id like to see come off yeah playing with luster was fun i think pot should should come off if dark hole goes away and i really think it will do not limit smashing ground mirror force i think we be returning once again just like normal but i really dont wanna see things like prem call snatch swords breaker the jars jinzo and many other cards baned like on some of these ban list's ive seen if they baned all those cards what else would we have left nothing to great has come out sense IOC some people wanna ban stuff from it all the way back to LOB and lets face it the newer sets arent the greatest me personaly id like them to bring back some cards that havent really come off the list yata was 1 of my favorite cards id like to see how it would run with CED and WITCH gone if u burn your hand and u get hit with yata well then thats what u get for burning your hand as far as luster goes im not sure what will happen to him he's really easy to grab up thses days so pretty much any body could get him he was from IOC then reprinted in the master book and now DR2 i want more drawl power and more fun not more un fun and less cards to use to drawl cards does any body really agree with any thing i said?

That is true now that BLS is more accessable, and now it's easy to get so most people by now would want to get their hands on him.:D

[curseofdarkness]

Really, I wouldn't mind having BLS being cycle in and out once in a while.
But its not like its the only way to win the game.
Its a fun card to use in this "game". Seriously, if it does come back, you just need to roll with the punches.
There is also so many types of monster removal already in the game.

And any player who is skilled enough should be able to handle it even with novice players having access to this card due to MC2.

I am always up for the challenge. Its part of the game.

My 2 cents

[Paladinseer007]

Really, I wouldn't mind having BLS being cycle in and out once in a while.
But its not like its the only way to win the game.
Its a fun card to use in this "game". Seriously, if it does come back, you just need to roll with the punches.
There is also so many types of monster removal already in the game.

And any player who is skilled enough should be able to handle it even with novice players having access to this card due to MC2.

I am always up for the challenge. Its part of the game.

My 2 cents

I agree with that and your point was well said.:D

[Leelue]

if they would change the mechanics of the game, killing its priority, then if it came off, then BTH would be run in 3's, maybe.

but still, no, no BLS
I would like to see more chaos cards though... that'd be sweet.

[Paladinseer007]

if they would change the mechanics of the game, killing its priority, then if it came off, then BTH would be run in 3's, maybe.

but still, no, no BLS
I would like to see more chaos cards though... that'd be sweet.

You do realize that BLS is a chaos card.:D

[Indignation]

You do realize that BLS is a chaos card.:D
He said more. BLS is something that is banned. He want's more Chaos cards that are not overpowered.

[Paladinseer007]

He said more. BLS is something that is banned. He want's more Chaos cards that are not overpowered.

Yeah, in japan, but like I said before we don't know that it will stay banned forever. And like I said before can people handle if BLS actually came off the list, because so far from what I read from the people who want it banned I'm not too convinced, because they seem to be in denial even though the list we all saw wasn't even official. And if it did come back then those people who wanted it banned will be in for a rude awakening. More to the point, how do we even know if the list we saw is actually correct I mean, it could be something that we want to hear.:D

[Indignation]

Most people can deal with it lol. It's just that it would cause problems and piss people off. It's like letting a criminal after hes done his time loose. People don't want him living near them cause he still could be a potential threat and keeps them in constant stress. But they can still deal with it. If BLS came back your always waiting for when your opponent is going to play it.

[Ecks]

No.

I'm awful tired of Chaos, aren't you?

[Paladinseer007]

Most people can deal with it lol. It's just that it would cause problems and piss people off. It's like letting a criminal after hes done his time loose. People don't want him living near them cause he still could be a potential threat and keeps them in constant stress. But they can still deal with it. If BLS came back your always waiting for when your opponent is going to play it.

First of all, don't patronize me I'm not a 12 year old. And if it did get banned then you and everyone else will have more problems than solutions to this game. I mean first banning a card just because it's powerful is ridiculous to me. I know that the same obvious ways have been done before to deal with him, but seriously, does everyone here think that the solution to beating a card is banning it. If the obvious ways didn't work than you should've thought outside the box, it's not difficult.:mad:

[TheJudge]

Maybe in 7 more months, but I think we need a little bit more time without him.

Even though now that I look back on last format , The Soldier wasn't half as devistating as the Trinity.

[Paladinseer007]

Maybe in 7 more months, but I think we need a little bit more time without him.

Even though now that I look back on last format , The Soldier wasn't half as devistating as the Trinity.

In seven months, what is going on people, the neither banlist has come out and everyone here is acting like he's already gone.:mad:

[Indignation]

First of all, don't patronize me I'm not a 12 year old. And if it did get banned then you and everyone else will have more problems than solutions to this game. I mean first banning a card just because it's powerful is ridiculous to me. I know that the same obvious ways have been done before to deal with him, but seriously, does everyone here think that the solution to beating a card is banning it. If the obvious ways didn't work than you should've thought outside the box, it's not difficult.:mad:

Of course if it isn't banned there is another way of beating it.

Running a CC deck. Kycoo stops your opponents and is a dark so you can use your BLS. Yaya everyone used the same deck. Oh wait theres the random guy who used a complete Anti-Chaos deck and still lost because the CC doesn't only run BLS it also runs Warriors and other strong cards, BLS is just like the Trump card. Thats how it was when he had him. Your answers have been answered already if you look at what happend in the past.

Don't use that bad players will use him wrong or BLS punishes bad players arguement either because it phails. When we talk about cards we don't consider the nooBs or bad players since they are unimportant in the factor of competitive play.

If a card even when playing a deck used against it still gets off more then it is stopped will probably be banned.

[TheJudge]

In seven months, what is going on people, the neither banlist has come out and everyone here is acting like he's already gone.:mad:
The OCG list IS out and confermed.

And I doubt if Upper deck was to change anything about the ban list, then the Soldier would be the least of their priorities.




So better luck next time.

[Paladinseer007]

Of course if it isn't banned there is another way of beating it.

Running a CC deck. Kycoo stops your opponents and is a dark so you can use your BLS. Yaya everyone used the same deck. Oh wait theres the random guy who used a complete Anti-Chaos deck and still lost because the CC doesn't only run BLS it also runs Warriors and other strong cards, BLS is just like the Trump card. Thats how it was when he had him. Your answers have been answered already if you look at what happend in the past.

Don't use that bad players will use him wrong or BLS punishes bad players arguement either because it phails. When we talk about cards we don't consider the nooBs or bad players since they are unimportant in the factor of competitive play.

If a card even when playing a deck used against it still gets off more then it is stopped will probably be banned.

First of all I wasn't using the bad player arguement. what I meant before is people might not deal with BLS being back, so they will start to complain that's what I meant at the time. And I also don't really have all the answers to my questions.:mad:

[ChaosNeverDied]

Soldier shouldnt come back, its a deck that people made for one monster. Chaos should be about the chaos sorcerers, they could bring chaos back too. Last ban list, they eliminated a lot of chaos cards not just soldier. Graceful gone, MoF restricted, Pot buried, no ways to feed the easy addiction. If they brought back painful choice I will run chaos, but its a lost cause for the moment being...