Ok, here is my Banned List

[Hiro-Sakano]

This is my list...

(*) New/Probably never coming back.
(-) These cards rotate, never to form powerful combinations.

Forbidden

Black Luster Soldier - Envoy of the Beginning
Butterfly Dagger - Elma
Change of Heart
Chaos Emperor Dragon - Envoy of the End
Delinquent Duo
Fiber Jar
Graceful Charity
Harpie's Feather Duster
Imperial Order
Magical Scientist
-Makyura the Destructor
Mirage of Nightmare
Mirror Force
Monster Reborn
Painful Choice
Pot of Greed
Raigeki
Ring of Destruction
Sinister Serpent
The Forceful Sentry
Tribe-Infecting Virus
-Witch of the Black Forest
Yata-Garasu
*Heavy Storm
-Sangan
*Dark Hole
-Premature Burial
-Call of the Haunted
*Mage Power
*United We Stand
*Snatch Steal
-Book of Moon
*Cyber Jar
*Morphing Jar #1
*Thousand-Eyes Restrict
*Night Assailant
-Jinzo
-Torrential Tribute
*Magician of Faith

Restricted

Breaker the Magical Warrior
Card Destruction
Ceasefire
Confiscation
Dark Magician of Chaos
Deck Devastation Virus
-Exchange of the Spirit
Exiled Force
Exodia the Forbidden One
Injection Fairy Lily
Left Arm of the Forbidden One
Left Leg of the Forbidden One
-Lightning Vortex
Limiter Removal
Magic Cylinder
Metamorphosis
Protector of the Sanctuary
Reckless Greed
Reflect Bounder
Right Arm of the Forbidden One
Right Leg of the Forbidden One
Sacred Phoenix of Nephthys
Swords of Revealing Light
*Creature Swap
-Royal Decree
*Nobleman of Crossout
*Nobleman of Extermination

Semi-Restricted

Abyss Soldier
Good Goblin Housekeeping
Gravity Bind
Last Turn
Level Limit - Area B
Manticore of Darkness
Reinforcement of the Army
Upstart Goblin
*Twin Headed Behemoth
*D.D. Warrior Lady
*D.D. Assailant
*D.D. Warrior
*Tsukuyomi
*Mystical Space Typhoon
*Scapegoat

[Pemolis]

*Twin Headed Behemoth
*D.D. Warrior Lady
*D.D. Assailant
*D.D. Warrior
*Tsukuyomi
*Magician of Faith
*Nobleman of Crossout
*Mystical Space Typhoon
*Scapegoat
*Magician of Faith

These are the problem cards on the list (and all are in the semi restricted list).

1) I am just guessing that you want D.D. Warrior Lady down to 2 is so that D.D. Decks would be a bit more viable (seeing that you removed one D.D. Assailant in the process). You know what, I'll give ya that.

2) Tsukuyomi, Magician of Faith, Nobleman of Crossout. Tsuk is too much of a combo card and with Books Banned, this one becomes the book replacement. MOF is just rediculous with this card, and giving people more options for using it is a bad choice. Nobleman is too easily used as facedown card destruction (its Smashing Ground for facedowns).

3) *Mystical Space Typhoon, Scapegoat. There are hundreds of arguements for why mst shouldn't be put back to 2 or 3. Same with Scapegoat, the unending wall, blocker, tributer, fodder, stall card, resource hog, etc etc.





There was a real issue with Twin Headed Behemoth that caused it to be restricted to 1.

Twin Headed Behemoth's effect allowed it to come back to the field ONCE when it was destroyed at reduced attack/defense points. Its secondary effect allowed it to do it only ONCE per game.

The issue with this being unrestricted in any sense is that it is impossible to determine Which One is Allowed to come back, and/or which one was actually destroyed. It was some twisted reason like that but there was practical examples backing it up.

[Hiro-Sakano]

EDITED...

I would be Banning MOF, and the only replacement (if the players were only looking for replacements instead of skills) would be Pixie Knight...

Thanks, let´s continue...

I know the argument of the THBehemoth, but Let´s say that Kazejin/Suijin/Sanga are in the same situation, they have a once per duel effect... for each one? what would happen if you have two and one of them returns to the deck and you used its effect? now you draw another and you summon it (ignoring the fact that they are hard to summon), which one is it?

Anyway, the only way to get rid of that stupid mistake on the card would be removing it from the field the next time it would leave the field/graveyard by any mean... but it wasn´t made like that; my solution, you have two? then none of them can use the effect again, same with the Gate Guardian Trinity.

[Princess of Burn]

Kazejin/Suijin/Sanga are in the same situation, they have a once per duel effect... for each one? what would happen if you have two and one of them returns to the deck and you used its effect? now you draw another and you summon it (ignoring the fact that they are hard to summon), which one is it?

Kazejin,Suijin,and Sanga have been errata'd to say "You may only use this effect once as long as this monster remains face-up on the field"

[Hiro-Sakano]

Uuuups^^

Any other Suggestion to the ban list? After all, we can make a real oppinion...

[PMasterS]

[QUOTE=Pemolis
There was a real issue with Twin Headed Behemoth that caused it to be restricted to 1.

Twin Headed Behemoth's effect allowed it to come back to the field ONCE when it was destroyed at reduced attack/defense points. Its secondary effect allowed it to do it only ONCE per game.

The issue with this being unrestricted in any sense is that it is impossible to determine Which One is Allowed to come back, and/or which one was actually destroyed. It was some twisted reason like that but there was practical examples backing it up.[/QUOTE]


The example was Fiber Jar at the time, but we have more now, e.g back to square one followed by a search of deck.

[Hiro-Sakano]

That´s already covered... neither can have the effect again, at least in my opinion, the effect would be made better in the first place, that´s Konami´s problem.

Next Question?

[Paladinseer007]

I think that the game has lost it's challenging structure, that made this game interesting, but that's my opinion.

[Hiro-Sakano]

And... what does that mean?

Yes^^ I am not letting my list die until I get more opinions on it, If you see carefully, I am Banning almost all cards that fit on every deck.

[SuperJay]

You don't list any reasons for the cards you want to see banned/restricted... So how do we know what's going on in your mind? What is your logic to your list?

Why do you feel the need to restrict Nobleman of Extermination?
It is the only real deterrent to force players not to play Sakuretsu/Bottomless or RftDD in multiples.

You ban the two staple resurrection cards, semi-limit DDWL and don't even touch RftDD, seems like you're paving the way for the only viable deck to be one based on Bazoo + RftDD for OTKs.

Congrats, your list reduces the game to 1 viable deck type.

-SuperJay

[Makuku]

With no logic behind why you ban the cards you want to, I have to say your list is pretty horrid.

[DMOC2826]

This is my list...

(*) New/Probably never coming back.
(-) These cards rotate, never to form powerful combinations.

Forbidden

Black Luster Soldier - Envoy of the Beginning
Butterfly Dagger - Elma
Change of Heart
Chaos Emperor Dragon - Envoy of the End
Delinquent Duo
Fiber Jar
Graceful Charity
Harpie's Feather Duster
Imperial Order
Magical Scientist
-Makyura the Destructor
Mirage of Nightmare
Mirror Force
Monster Reborn
Painful Choice
Pot of Greed
Raigeki
Ring of Destruction
Sinister Serpent
The Forceful Sentry
Tribe-Infecting Virus
-Witch of the Black Forest
Yata-Garasu
*Heavy Storm Burn decks would reign supreme if this card was banned.
-Sangan
*Dark Hole
-Premature Burial
-Call of the Haunted
*Mage Power Mage Power is not that broken to be banned IMO
*United We Stand A little more broken than MP but I don't think it is ban-worthy. :-/
*Snatch Steal This is a reasonable control card; it is equip and your opponent gains 1000 each SBP
-Book of Moon
*Cyber Jar-Maybe but maybe not< not sure :-/
*Morphing Jar #1
*Thousand-Eyes Restrict- A beast but limiting it to 1 per fusion deck is more reasonable.
*Night Assailant
-Jinzo- A great card but certainly not unstoppable. There are many cards that stop it so no it doesn't need to be banned.
-Torrential Tribute
*Magician of Faith-Faith is fine at 1 per deck.

Restricted

Breaker the Magical Warrior
Card Destruction
Ceasefire
Confiscation
Dark Magician of Chaos
Deck Devastation Virus
-Exchange of the Spirit
Exiled Force
Exodia the Forbidden One
Injection Fairy Lily
Left Arm of the Forbidden One
Left Leg of the Forbidden One
-Lightning Vortex
Limiter Removal
Magic Cylinder
Metamorphosis
Protector of the Sanctuary
Reckless Greed
Reflect Bounder
Right Arm of the Forbidden One
Right Leg of the Forbidden One
Sacred Phoenix of Nephthys
Swords of Revealing Light
*Creature Swap
-Royal Decree
*Nobleman of Crossout
*Nobleman of Extermination

Semi-Restricted

Abyss Soldier
Good Goblin Housekeeping
Gravity Bind
Last Turn
Level Limit - Area B
Manticore of Darkness
Reinforcement of the Army
Upstart Goblin
*Twin Headed Behemoth
*D.D. Warrior Lady
*D.D. Assailant
*D.D. Warrior
*Tsukuyomi
*Mystical Space Typhoon
*Scapegoat
^There are my opinions on what I bolded.

[Hiro-Sakano]

Ok...

About Bazoo and the OTKs, I am working on them, but don´t misunderstand, I´m on favor to themes, here are some of my ideas.

And, I am trying to make it like we were getting SOI tomorrow... and¬¬ don´t tell me I am killing the game until my list is really on UDE, this is an experiment.

-Witch of the Black Forest
This will rotate with Sangan, it will never be along with Jinzo for example, cards like Exiled force are still being search by Sangan, people may search beatsticks or Lvls, etc.

-Sangan
See above, the game would still be relying on control decks, without Jars, this card has little to do, if you want another point, it is on every non-theme deck, I want the players to use their brain.

-Premature Burial
This one will rotate, I am not pretty sure, this is maybe one of the experimental prohibitions, 800 LP is still fair, but it is too generic.

-Call of the Haunted
Same as above, but still trying to decide, and it is considering that Konami needs to produce a lot of CotH clones, with alternate methods.

-Book of Moon
Having Tsukuyomi semi restricted make this as all of you say, too much of a combo, I have really no problem with it, but some OTKs are powerful when using this along with the spirit.

-Jinzo
The most unwanted here maybe, but trap cards need some work, Royal Decree isn´t a replacement, but has less field presence, Monarchs are being overused, so, why not check more traps on decks (yes it would be annoying), some other traps need restriction, still deciding which ones.

-Torrential Tribute
Favors swarm, yes, not my favorite, but it is not a permanent banning, there are other anti-swarm cards that have a decent drawback like Needle Ceiling and Needle Wall for example, this may favor marketing too¬¬ but is better than listenig players saying that 7/9 cards are crap.

*Magician of Faith
No more whinning about Tsuki-Book-MoF, if you want to recycle a spell card, you may try the others, if players are good enough they can be threatening opponents even with Pixie Night.

*Heavy Storm
Like the old days of Blue Eyes, but there is no more mass removal, there are alternative ways to get this effect for a moderate cost.

*Cyber Jar
I Kill draw power, and tring to kill staples too, people can discover new ones, but there are maybe a lot of them, downgraded maybe, no more free cards.

*Morphing Jar #1
Tired of seeing this one too, not aganist me, this one would be outside of the ban list as long as no other Jar is alowed.

*Thousand-Eyes Restrict
With Goats semi restricted this one would be often used for turtle... want a better reason?

*Night Assailant
Yu-Gi-Oh! is not ready for cycling, this monster will wait until then.

*Mage Power
*United We Stand
These Equips compensate the lack of mass removal in my list, too much bonus for ATK/DEF in a game where apparently Bazoo dominates, but there are better equips.

*Snatch Steal
Free tributes, much players don´t bother with the drawback, use Brain or Enemy if you are enough desperated.

*Dark Hole
No mass removal, Still preventing swarm a little, you may want to tell me any good way, be reasonable, this card is free, it is used as Raigeki often.

TO BE CONTINUED...