Unban Painful.

[mech-hound]

Paionful choice was not a broken card. It was also the card that took the most skill to use in the game. It help set up strategy and added to the amount of reasonable discard power. It even helped strike ninja.

Just my thoughts.

[Ordyh]

do u know how broken it is now? ditch 4 monsters, next turn you summon bazoo and remove 3, then RFTDD back...GG! it could aslo mean 1st Turn Chaos Sorceror, hell even 1st Turn V-Z(if done right >_>)

[Warakia]

Painful works so well in so many decks, I think it would drastically change the meta, for the better actually.

Decks that gain power from Painful:

Fiends
Fairies
Ninja
Exodia
Deck Destruction (since your oponent will thin faster)

other pros:


Combos with Pot of Avarice.
Takes at least some skill to use, (with no serpent that is).
With pot and charity gone its not assisting with a crazy amount of deck thinning.

[Pemolis]

But it becomes a deck staple in ALL decks.

The same reason they banned Pot of Greed is the Same Reason Painful should stay banned.

GOOD GRIEF TRY USING SOME NEW CARDS FOR A CHANGE!!!!

[mr hutton]

if they unbanned painful then combo decks would ravage the format

[Xodorian88]

There are too many combos that benefit from Painful. It won't come off the list anytime soon.

[Lord of the Bling]

It makes BazooOTK the best deck this format.

[mech-hound]

Bazoo is already the best deck.

But how hard is it to get 2-3 mons in the grave anyway.

[Kameiko]

Bazoo is already the best deck.

But how hard is it to get 2-3 mons in the grave anyway.

Not very hard, but still when Sinster Serpent wasnt banned for traditional painful choice was the best card for chaos and Fiend Decks. Fiend decks made it quicker to get Dark Necrophear out and Chaos oh god those envoys! 2 darks, 2 lights, and a sinster serpent. That's all it took. If you ahve a painful choice in your hand and an envoy first turn i summon BLS or CED! It's very annoying. Plus XYZ pieces can get in the graveyard a lot quicker, and play Soul release to remove them all, then play Return from the different dimension or Dimension fusion. Oh yeah, and Strike Ninja X__X then paly RFTDD or DF.

[mech-hound]

Not very hard, but still when Sinster Serpent wasnt banned for traditional painful choice was the best card for chaos and Fiend Decks. Fiend decks made it quicker to get Dark Necrophear out and Chaos oh god those envoys! 2 darks, 2 lights, and a sinster serpent. That's all it took. If you ahve a painful choice in your hand and an envoy first turn i summon BLS or CED! It's very annoying. Plus XYZ pieces can get in the graveyard a lot quicker, and play Soul release to remove them all, then play Return from the different dimension or Dimension fusion. Oh yeah, and Strike Ninja X__X then paly RFTDD or DF.

Don't we want to help Fiend, XYZ, Strike Ninja?

[Kameiko]

Not very hard, but still when Sinster Serpent wasnt banned for traditional painful choice was the best card for chaos and Fiend Decks. Fiend decks made it quicker to get Dark Necrophear out and Chaos oh god those envoys! 2 darks, 2 lights, and a sinster serpent. That's all it took. If you ahve a painful choice in your hand and an envoy first turn i summon BLS or CED! It's very annoying. Plus XYZ pieces can get in the graveyard a lot quicker, and play Soul release to remove them all, then play Return from the different dimension or Dimension fusion. Oh yeah, and Strike Ninja X__X then paly RFTDD or DF.

Don't we want to help Fiend, XYZ, Strike Ninja?

We do, but we dont want them to reign supreme and be a cookie cutter.

[Code89]

bazoo can be countered....but painful would fuel it......if it came back..the POA and EOTS would be getting alot better.....but i wish it would come back to speed up the game a little more.....

[Paladinseer007]

Painful works so well in so many decks, I think it would drastically change the meta, for the better actually.

Decks that gain power from Painful:

Fiends
Fairies
Ninja
Exodia
Deck Destruction (since your oponent will thin faster)

other pros:


Combos with Pot of Avarice.
Takes at least some skill to use, (with no serpent that is).
With pot and charity gone its not assisting with a crazy amount of deck thinning.

I agree with that to some extent, that it would help out with Pot of avarice. :)

[crow38]

painful choice is the most deadly combo card in the game......eos

[Paladinseer007]

painful choice is the most deadly combo card in the game......eos

Okay, do you care to elaberate a little more? :)

[mech-hound]

Painful works wth....

Every Revial
Chaos
Element remove
Fiend
That SOI frog
Strike Ninja
Exodia
Cyberstein
Exchange of the spirit
Every other OTK
Every other Deck out there

But it still shouldn't be banned.

[RefLeX]

Paionful choice was not a broken card. It was also the card that took the most skill to use in the game. It help set up strategy and added to the amount of reasonable discard power. It even helped strike ninja.

Just my thoughts.
WTF?@? bazoo and RFTDD=poand...painful+pot of avarice=t3h poand....not to mention u can kill off any bad topdeck at any situation

[ss4giel]

Painful makes so many decks tier 2 it makes me want it back. Painful makes so many Tier 1 decks 100% better that I don't want it back.

[ZorcTheAncientClown]

I think it's way too powerful. Although not as broken as it used to be with the other currently banned cards, it's still just too powerful, in my opinion, for a card that is luck. What I mean by this is the same thing that I meant with Pot of Greed. If there are two decks identical in power that benefit from Painful Choice, but one player gets lucky enough to draw it and the other doesn't, well it's pretty determined who won the game.

Magical Merchant makes a decent substitute in monster-heavy decks.

[Relinquished]

We do, but we dont want them to reign supreme and be a cookie cutter.

Why not? I think that it would a good change to see decks that actually have a strategy instead of just a bunch of good cards thrown together. The argument that it would make Bazoo decks even better is a good point though. However, I believe that a simple side deck change can stifle the Soul Eater.

It's true that every deck would use Painful Choice, but just as a thinner. Certain decks like Strike Ninja and Exodia use it as part of the decks strategy. It would actually help those decks become more competetive.

What would be even better is if Konami made theme specific versions of Painful Choice. Such as a version that says that you could put any number of Skull Servants or King of the Skull Servants from your hand or deck into the graveyard. Effective, yet not abusable in any other deck.

[lucamon]

Painful can't be unbanned.

There should be a balanced version released though.

[Kameiko]

Why not? I think that it would a good change to see decks that actually have a strategy instead of just a bunch of good cards thrown together. The argument that it would make Bazoo decks even better is a good point though. However, I believe that a simple side deck change can stifle the Soul Eater.

It's true that every deck would use Painful Choice, but just as a thinner. Certain decks like Strike Ninja and Exodia use it as part of the decks strategy. It would actually help those decks become more competetive.

What would be even better is if Konami made theme specific versions of Painful Choice. Such as a version that says that you could put any number of Skull Servants or King of the Skull Servants from your hand or deck into the graveyard. Effective, yet not abusable in any other deck.

lol. A skull servent deck reign supreme that be funny, but running those type of decks are fun ^_^!!!

The reason is a lot of people would complain and moan and more moaning about how this certain deck is tier 1 and blah blah. Its agravating :(. There are still other ways to make bazoo decks better just not with banned cards. You have Morphing Jar, Card Destruction, Cyber Jar, removing 3 cards anyways. There's more but dont know them all.

[Captain Phan 7]

Instead of bringing back Painful Choice, I say we should get a card that becomes its Advanced Format counterpart like how Lightning Vortex, Brain Control, Pot of Avarice supposedly replaced Raigeki, Change of Heart and Pot of Greed...

[Magician Orion]

Painful can't be unbanned.

There should be a balanced version released though.
Foolish Burial. ;)

Painful is way too strong if used right. Plus, with Exchange of the Spirit out, it's a bit too unlikely to be unbanned anytime soon...

I loved this card, but I understood why was it banned. And it should stay there... =/

[Paladinseer007]

Foolish Burial. ;)

Painful is way too strong if used right. Plus, with Exchange of the Spirit out, it's a bit too unlikely to be unbanned anytime soon...

I loved this card, but I understood why was it banned. And it should stay there... =/

Okay, most of the stuff about painful choice I got, but what are you talking about foolish burial. :confused:

[Relinquished]

Okay, most of the stuff about painful choice I got, but what are you talking about foolish burial. :confused:

I believe that they were trying to suggest a not so broken solution to decks that require certain monsters in the graveyard. I like the idea; it would be a little slow for King of the Skull Servants, but otherwise a very nice suggestion. Strike Ninja and E-Heros using Miracle Fusion would have a new best friend. Now if we could only get it in the TCG.

[`Morgan`]

Painful works wth....

Every Revial
Chaos
Element remove
Fiend
That SOI frog
Strike Ninja
Exodia
Cyberstein
Exchange of the spirit
Every other OTK
Every other Deck out there

But it still shouldn't be banned.You know, by posting what it works with you contridict yourself. Painful should stay on the forbidden list, simple as that.

[pineapple4brains]

Paionful choice was not a broken card. It was also the card that took the most skill to use in the game. It help set up strategy and added to the amount of reasonable discard power. It even helped strike ninja.

Just my thoughts.


You sir are a idiot.

nuff said

[RjAkaPeanut4U]

I'd give my left hand in a trade to Konami to bring back Painful Choice.

[Warakia]

I'd give my left hand in a trade to Konami to bring back Painful Choice.

Heh, I'd give them my right for it.

Now they have a whole set!

[`Morgan`]

Heh, I'd give them my right for it.

Now they have a whole set!Meh, you guys would give hands.... I'd give them my left arm :P.

[Xier6]

You sir are a idiot.

nuff said

No, you sir are an idiot.

What that guy said was right. Painful Choice does take more skill than most staple cards, and it does help alot of decktypes be better. It doesn't give some unbeatable advantage like Pot of Greed did, it just helped players set up a strategy.

[Paladinseer007]

No, you sir are an idiot.

What that guy said was right. Painful Choice does take more skill than most staple cards, and it does help alot of decktypes be better. It doesn't give some unbeatable advantage like Pot of Greed did, it just helped players set up a strategy.

I do agree with your point about painful choice, but I will say this about pot of greed though, it was so stupid of that card to get banned. I mean, draw two cards and people are making such a big deal about it. And of course they would say that using that card is based on luck, that maybe a good 50% of the time. :D

[Retain]

Painful will be banned forever!!!!!!!! Too many combos + exchange of spirits just came out >.>.

[Mage King]

Painful CHoice takes skill to use properly, it seperates bad players from good.

The ability to manipulate your deck without generating/losing card advantage is good.

And since opponent has final say as to what you get its not out of their control.


Let's think of what would get stronger by its unbaning: Chaos, which is still wining anyway, Strike Ninja which is a tough deck to run, Control as a whole, which is more skill intensive than aggro, and combo in general.

I think I'd rather see that metagame then toolbox.

Combo decks are better for a metagame then aggro is, I'd rather have a deck that can be hated out and takes a semi-skilled player to run as opposed to a drop guys and attack metagame.

I won't say FTK's are healthy but OTK are fine, things like Cyber Stein OTK shouldn't destroy a meta.


It makes Pot of Avarice easier to use, thats not the end of the world. The cards are total opposites of the spectrum. You play painful chocie to help your draws. Pot kills it totally. Frankly I don't think it helps it that much.

[mech-hound]

Painful will be banned forever!!!!!!!! Too many combos + exchange of spirits just came out >.>.

by Retain

I think PoA is actually too weak right now anyway.Plus who runs exchange.