Opinion on YATA

[II Shinobi II]

I think Yata should come back off the ban-list. The reasons I say this is because its not that big of a deal anymore. Back in the day it was broken. But now it is just not that good. If you think about it has to be a clear field to work. Its not searchable. Its easily killed by most traps. And finally it will add some more skill to the game.

First reason is it has a really weak attack. Not being able to go through anything but a goat. it is easily defeated now that people are running three Sakuratsu Armors. And some other people running widespread ruin. It is easier for them to chose what hits them. For example I run a 10 trap lineup in this meta. Not to go off topic onto the meta trap lineup. Because everyone is different. But I run: 3x Sakuratsu Armor, 3x Widespread Ruin, 2x Dust Tornado, 1x Torrential Tribute , and 1x Call of the Haunted . That is my lineup, which shows that a lot of people are bringing up the trap lineup count. Showing more ways Yata can be killed.

Second reason I think Yata should come off is, because of the searchable. Because right now it is ONLY searchable by Sangan. And the only other way is to draw it. I think it is still really rare to be able to stop a duel on its own. I think only if you have the off chance to top decking the one in your deck while your opponent is top decking with nothing on the field.

Third and final reason I think it should come back is because it will add a bigger skill factor into the game. Leaving people that don’t know how to conserve cards in the dust. Because if you are able to get top decking easily you should and will get owned.....

Just was bored and wanted to put my voice out there. If anyone reads it....

[RefLeX]

dark hole n storm r off the ban llist....theres no way..

[II Shinobi II]

Look that would be a three card combo. They most likely still have a hand. And you can only run one of each. its a 1.5% chance of drawing all three cards....

[Airknight]

just because a lot of people run 3x Sa. armor doesnt mean it can come off the list.

[II Shinobi II]

Thats not the only reason.....

[Honda Hiroto]

I see the reasoning here.

No Raigeki. No Harpie's. No Witch. MST to 1. No D-Duo. No Forceful Sentry. No Pot. No G-Charity.

It may be possible to at least try and bring it back.

[CHaOsYaTa]

no way.....................

[II Shinobi II]

I see the reasoning here.

No Raigeki. No Harpie's. No Witch. MST to 1. No D-Duo. No Forceful Sentry. No Pot. No G-Charity.

It may be possible to at least try and bring it back.

See thats my point, what hand control cards do we have that are good. Just reaper and Don. Unless you are playing wrong or just are really bad. Neither of those cards should leave you open for a yata lock.

Some of you are saying how am I saying its so bad and why would I want it back? I think if cards are not good in the meta we should bring it back. Because if itt does come back its not gonna be a staple in beatdown. It would generate a new deck. A new hand destruction deck. Making more decks teir one. Because if the Yata decks become teir one then that might chain Dark World to finally a tier 1 deck. Giving 2 more actually competitive decks.

[mech-hound]

I don't think its a staple anymore. Lost alot of power i.e Vampire Lord

[II Shinobi II]

How does V lord make it lose power? anyway it never was a staple...

[PainAgonySuffering]

It doesnt matter what format, the card is too broken...

[Paladinseer007]

I think that yata is just a royal pain, that card should stay banned. :D

[_Godot_]

No, it should never come back. Not with the new ritual coming out soon, that lets you pay 2000lp to destroy all the cards on the field except for the ritual. The lock would be too easy.

[The Punisher]

People seem not to realize that it is NOT discarding what makes Yata broken - it's the fact that it shuts down whatever chances you have of keeping up with your opponent. Tell me how a hand like this can take you out of the Yata lock: CED (no mons in Graveyard), Premature, Kycoo, Jinzo, MST. Maybe you can summon Kycoo and swing, but chances are your opponent will spring a Raigeki/Dark Hole/Smashing Ground/Snatch Steal on you, then summon Yata again and lock you up for good. All this while your opponent still has his Draw Phase intact to keep getting weapons against your (impossible) comeback. How the hell does that make Yugioh more fun to play?

[neowater]

hell, ive got 4 yatas, id like to use at least ONE....

If they ban Dark hole and Storm then it COULD (emphasis on could) happen.

[Netdecker]

So your saying: Hitting with Reaper, Don, Yata, along w/ the use of Confiscation,Dark Hole,Heavy Storm, make Yata hard to use?

[ownsyou]

Yata should stay banned for a long while. Not only will it lock up your opponent but getting in just one hit will do enough damage to your opponent. If you thought supporting cards made Yata broken your an idiot. Yata was broken for having such an awsome effect.

[A C I D Y]

when you could still use yata, it was that good of a card that it didnt have to have a deck built around it. people would usually summon CED and then bring back sangan or witch with a special summon, and then use CED effect. they would then get yata from deck and attack for the lock.

[mefistofeles]

yata's IMO the best card ever, and unbanning it would be the dumbest move ude would ever make.

[Lucifer10]

Yata should come off the banned list just for the simple reason that whats the chance that your opponenet is not going to have a hand or a field. ;)

[The Catalyst]

Personally, I think a Wind attribute spirit bird is awesome. And I did win more games with it than I lost against it. BUT... for the good of the game, it should stay banned.

Prepare yourself, original poster, for... TOTAL ANALYSIS!

I think Yata should come back off the ban-list. The reasons I say this is because its not that big of a deal anymore. Back in the day it was broken. But now it is just not that good. If you think about it has to be a clear field to work. Its not searchable. Its easily killed by most traps. And finally it will add some more skill to the game.
1) It is still that good. Card advantage is majorly emphasized in this format, moreso than in other past formats. The fact that this card leads to easy card advantage (and it does) makes it MORE broken than before.
2) It IS searchable. Even with just Sangan, it's not difficult to thin the deck enough to easily draw it. I like to call that indirect searching.
3) MORE skill? Are you kidding? A turn 3 lock (which I admit to pulling out more than once) is not a matter of skill, but luck. Get the right draws, and it's game over with the birdie. You'll be hard pressed to find many veterans of the game who thought Yata took more than an ounce of skill when it was around.


First reason is it has a really weak attack. Not being able to go through anything but a goat. it is easily defeated now that people are running three Sakuratsu Armors. And some other people running widespread ruin. It is easier for them to chose what hits them. For example I run a 10 trap lineup in this meta. Not to go off topic onto the meta trap lineup. Because everyone is different. But I run: 3x Sakuratsu Armor, 3x Widespread Ruin, 2x Dust Tornado, 1x Torrential Tribute , and 1x Call of the Haunted . That is my lineup, which shows that a lot of people are bringing up the trap lineup count. Showing more ways Yata can be killed.
Really weak attack does not change the fact that it ENDS THE GAME. It may only be 200 a turn, but considering that can be maintained indefinitely without a chance to do anything in return makes numbers nearly irrelevant. It doesn't need to attack and kill anything... that's what Lightning Vortex, Smashing Ground, Fissure, and all the others are for.

And what idiot would allow Yata to be killed by something as simple as Sak Armor? Nobleman of Extermination that face down... where is your God now? And yes, I do indeed use NoE, and I use it successfully. Or wait... what about Jinzo? Or Royal Decree? Shutting down traps is insanely easy when you try. And people would try.

Finally, the whole "well, there's a counter" is not a valid argument, as has been shown multiple times. Guess what? Lots of cards can stop Raigeki. Does that mean that Raigeki isn't that broken and should come off? HELL NO. I could link to half a dozen other threads in which the kind of argument you just presented was completely shot down.

Second reason I think Yata should come off is, because of the searchable. Because right now it is ONLY searchable by Sangan. And the only other way is to draw it. I think it is still really rare to be able to stop a duel on its own. I think only if you have the off chance to top decking the one in your deck while your opponent is top decking with nothing on the field.
Look at what made it searchable back in the day: Sangan and Witch. Oh noes, we have no witch! Whatever shall we do!? It was truly only those two cards that made it searchable. And we still have one. Not to mention more people are utilizing cards like Mystic Tomato that may not be able to search Yata out, but can thin the deck incredibly fast. Deck thinning is an indirect method of searching, as it gives you greater chances to find the card you'd like to find.

Third and final reason I think it should come back is because it will add a bigger skill factor into the game. Leaving people that don’t know how to conserve cards in the dust. Because if you are able to get top decking easily you should and will get owned.....

Just was bored and wanted to put my voice out there. If anyone reads it....

Okay, so you're afraid of that Yata Garasu in my hand. So you hold back those Sak Armors, just in case I go for the lock. In the mean time, I'll smack you with my Slate Warriors. Or better yet, Don Zaloogs. You CAN'T conserve cards against Yata, or that one card will lock down multiple in your hand... basically giving you card disadvantage. Just because your opponent has it in their hand. Getting to topdeck mode on your own actions will indeed get you owned. But... the problem with Yata back in the day was that the decks using it and winning FORCED the opponent into topdeck mode. You could conserve cards all you wanted back then, and they would STILL find a way to make you topdeck.

You tried better than most at making an argument to bring back the bird, but it's still clear that you were not a serious player back when it was a problem. Perhaps if you saw the impact it was having back then, you'd understand why the bird can never come off the list.

[Master_Kakashi]

If Yata deserves to come back, Mirage of Nightmare should come back. But Mirage should be banned because Yata would be more effective, you say? favoritism never got anywhere in preferring banned cards that have stupid power and notihng can justify it. Every time one came back, that brought tons of power never-before seen.

Oh, and you'd have to ban Spirit Reaper, Don Zaloog, Giant Trunade, along with Robbin' Goblin. That's not fair, but then again so is bringing back a banned card. It wil never happen.

[vdraconis]

In this format, both players are forced to topdecking by turn 3.

And you want to introduce another factor of luck into the game?

[Paladinseer007]

Yata should come off the banned list just for the simple reason that whats the chance that your opponenet is not going to have a hand or a field. ;)

okay first of all are you crazy, yata is a royal pain it should stay on the list.That card is just plain annoying to me and possibly everybody else. :)

[The Punisher]

Personally, I think a Wind attribute spirit bird is awesome. And I did win more games with it than I lost against it. BUT... for the good of the game, it should stay banned.

Prepare yourself, original poster, for... TOTAL ANALYSIS!


1) It is still that good. Card advantage is majorly emphasized in this format, moreso than in other past formats. The fact that this card leads to easy card advantage (and it does) makes it MORE broken than before.
2) It IS searchable. Even with just Sangan, it's not difficult to thin the deck enough to easily draw it. I like to call that indirect searching.
3) MORE skill? Are you kidding? A turn 3 lock (which I admit to pulling out more than once) is not a matter of skill, but luck. Get the right draws, and it's game over with the birdie. You'll be hard pressed to find many veterans of the game who thought Yata took more than an ounce of skill when it was around.


Really weak attack does not change the fact that it ENDS THE GAME. It may only be 200 a turn, but considering that can be maintained indefinitely without a chance to do anything in return makes numbers nearly irrelevant. It doesn't need to attack and kill anything... that's what Lightning Vortex, Smashing Ground, Fissure, and all the others are for.

And what idiot would allow Yata to be killed by something as simple as Sak Armor? Nobleman of Extermination that face down... where is your God now? And yes, I do indeed use NoE, and I use it successfully. Or wait... what about Jinzo? Or Royal Decree? Shutting down traps is insanely easy when you try. And people would try.

Finally, the whole "well, there's a counter" is not a valid argument, as has been shown multiple times. Guess what? Lots of cards can stop Raigeki. Does that mean that Raigeki isn't that broken and should come off? HELL NO. I could link to half a dozen other threads in which the kind of argument you just presented was completely shot down.


Look at what made it searchable back in the day: Sangan and Witch. Oh noes, we have no witch! Whatever shall we do!? It was truly only those two cards that made it searchable. And we still have one. Not to mention more people are utilizing cards like Mystic Tomato that may not be able to search Yata out, but can thin the deck incredibly fast. Deck thinning is an indirect method of searching, as it gives you greater chances to find the card you'd like to find.


Okay, so you're afraid of that Yata Garasu in my hand. So you hold back those Sak Armors, just in case I go for the lock. In the mean time, I'll smack you with my Slate Warriors. Or better yet, Don Zaloogs. You CAN'T conserve cards against Yata, or that one card will lock down multiple in your hand... basically giving you card disadvantage. Just because your opponent has it in their hand. Getting to topdeck mode on your own actions will indeed get you owned. But... the problem with Yata back in the day was that the decks using it and winning FORCED the opponent into topdeck mode. You could conserve cards all you wanted back then, and they would STILL find a way to make you topdeck.

You tried better than most at making an argument to bring back the bird, but it's still clear that you were not a serious player back when it was a problem. Perhaps if you saw the impact it was having back then, you'd understand why the bird can never come off the list.


Catalyst, you sure you aren't Maddox or, at least, Kill_Em_All from ****you.com?

I'd sig the bolded part, but I have a project in the works that needs all the space it can get.

[mech-hound]

Once the frog comes out direct atacks will cease to exist.

[II Shinobi II]

You tried better than most at making an argument to bring back the bird, but it's still clear that you were not a serious player back when it was a problem. Perhaps if you saw the impact it was having back then, you'd understand why the bird can never come off the list.

Thanks I guess, but I dont care for the bird. I think the card looks stupid as a matter of fact. But I think that cards that are banned and not that great in the meta should be brought back for more cards.

Alright has anyone seriously playtested yata in this play format? I have, its a really big dead w8. seriously I yata locked my opponint once out of 20 games. I was playing serious. We conserve our cards. And he got me once too. But even then we were both running warrior toolbox. We both have discard cards! I probly think yata lost me more games then won. Look here is my reasoning:

1. YATA, is good. Did you ever think of the fact that its only good late game? Early game it was like having 1 less card. If I do get it I probly lost not being up on card advantige/or on pair with decint cards.

2. YATA, is a +1 if it hits your opponint right? Whats Spirit Reaper a +1? Yes it is, you are probly saying "but reaper dies easily" thats no big deal compared to its ups. Well it has that sweet effect to stop swarm for a turn.... And lets top it off with the fact it is ran in 3's or 2's.

3. Are half of you saying that if you have a Dark Hole, Heavy Storm, and Yata you win.... Thats like running Wall of Reaviling Light, Jougin, and Last turn. 1 of each in a deck expecting to win........

On another note. Catalyst... flaming is fun. Seriously captian I flame a lot. I was around when yata was out. I was serious then too. Its not yata that won but the support it had at the time. (I didnt even have the Chaos Hand Control, I had a Wind Hand Control. It was better...)

Also Catalyst, ya about the counter. I am talking about a counter actually ran. Not like anti-raigeki. Unless you werent a serious player then either? Good job looking stupid....

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Also who ever said that 3rd turn Yata lock always? Do you play card of sanctitiy then like dark coffin or something. How, do you topdeck 3rd turn. If you play right do you get topdecking 3rd turn?

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Everyone dont get all serious about this its just an opinion. Yata should stay banned from the next format. I want them to worry about this crappy meta. Not if things can come off yet. Lets wait till they fix this boring game...

[The Catalyst]

Catalyst, you sure you aren't Maddox or, at least, Kill_Em_All from ****you.com?

I'd sig the bolded part, but I have a project in the works that needs all the space it can get.Yeah, I'm pretty sure about that, considering I've not heard of that board. Generally, I'm Tarot Ribos on other boards, actually.

1. YATA, is good. Did you ever think of the fact that its only good late game? Early game it was like having 1 less card. If I do get it I probly lost not being up on card advantige/or on pair with decint cards.
Actually, it can be decent earlier on, as well. Just as Time Seal or Drop Off is played before people are topdecking, Yata can be used in a similar manner for when you don't have other, more important monsters to play.

2. YATA, is a +1 if it hits your opponint right? Whats Spirit Reaper a +1? Yes it is, you are probly saying "but reaper dies easily" thats no big deal compared to its ups. Well it has that sweet effect to stop swarm for a turn.... And lets top it off with the fact it is ran in 3's or 2's.
I never said Spirit Reaper was a bad card, by any means. And I know it's tougher to kill than other monsters. Very little is commonly played that actually targets. But this thread is not about Spirit Reaper, now is it? But for the record, combine it with Yata... and your opponent is very much screwed. Hence, how I won several games in the days before the ban list ever came about.

3. Are half of you saying that if you have a Dark Hole, Heavy Storm, and Yata you win.... Thats like running Wall of Reaviling Light, Jougin, and Last turn. 1 of each in a deck expecting to win........
EXCEPT... it's more than one per deck, if you play properly. Torrential Tribute isn't banned, and that essentially acts as Dark Hole. As one example. Phoenix can provide its own Heavy Storm. Mobius, in some cases, could possibly be better than Heavy Storm. Basically, my point is, you can find ways to get the effects without actually needing the cards Dark Hole and Heavy Storm.

On another note. Catalyst... flaming is fun. Seriously captian I flame a lot. I was around when yata was out. I was serious then too. Its not yata that won but the support it had at the time. (I didnt even have the Chaos Hand Control, I had a Wind Hand Control. It was better...)

Also Catalyst, ya about the counter. I am talking about a counter actually ran. Not like anti-raigeki. Unless you werent a serious player then either? Good job looking stupid....
Flaming is indeed fun. It's actually quite amazing I haven't been banned off this board yet. Just take a look at some of my past posts for giggles.

But as for the support winning games vs. the Bird... no. Back then, before the ban list, a lucky topdeck could LITERALLY turn the game around. "Pot of Greed, oh look! Raigeki! Monster Reborn *insert bomb of choice here*! Attack directly for bunches!" And yes, things like that did happen. Look at the current ban list, and you'll notice many of those cards were obscenely abused in most tourny-worthy decks. True, when you were down card advantage you faced problems back then, but it wasn't nearly as much of an issue as it is now. For a while, at the start of this ban list, good tourny players were resigning after getting down one card against the opponent. Then people got smarter. But still, that should indicate the importance of card advantage. Back then, it was indeed the Bird that won games. It stopped any chance of a comeback. Now, I suppose that is less of an issue, but it is still an easy card advantage engine.

As for counters... yeah, everything has a counter. But they can't all be played. So Yata essentially had no counter back in the day. The best you could hope for was to hit it with DDuo or Confiscation and pray Fiber Jar didn't hit the field. Which is why no one can argue that "everything has a counter." For all intents and purposes, Yata has NO counter whatsoever. Sak Armor/Widespread is the best you'll get. Too bad there's a lot of trap hate out there...

Also who ever said that 3rd turn Yata lock always? Do you play card of sanctitiy then like dark coffin or something. How, do you topdeck 3rd turn. If you play right do you get topdecking 3rd turn?
You missed the point. Any decent player could get YOU topdecking by turn three. Duo, Smashing Ground/NoC, MST/Heavy/Whatever, Spirit Reaper/Don Zaloog. That's one turn. And if you couldn't pull off something similar to this back then, you honestly had no chance at regionals, let alone nats/worlds. THAT'S how turn 3 Yata locks happened. Although I will confess, it wasn't that common. Turn 6 was far moreso. :D

And there's just one more statement I have to address in particular...
Unless you werent a serious player then either? Good job looking stupid....
I refuse to take a game "seriously," as it defies the purpose of a game. Yet I did win my fair share of tournaments. With and without the Bird. Of course, if you were a true veteran of the game, you'd know me by now. Good job looking stupid...

And if you truly think this game is boring, then don't play it. Go away. It's meant for fun, and if you can't get fun out of it, why continue? Quit whining about how crappy the meta is and go play Type 1 MTG if you truly want your FTKs.

[Shadow of Death]

Yata is still extremely powerful, especially with dark hole unbanned.

Everyone I've ever played yata against had to end up scooping because they pretty much figured they had no chance. It was worse back in the day having Confiscation, Duo, and Forceful Sentry.

[RefLeX]

dark hole n storm r off the ban llist....theres no way..
im gonna reitterate what i said.

yata will come off the ban list only if certain cards are baned

[ss4giel]

I think Yata should come back off the ban-list. The reasons I say this is because its not that big of a deal anymore. Back in the day it was broken. But now it is just not that good. If you think about it has to be a clear field to work. Its not searchable. Its easily killed by most traps. And finally it will add some more skill to the game.

First reason is it has a really weak attack. Not being able to go through anything but a goat. it is easily defeated now that people are running three Sakuratsu Armors. And some other people running widespread ruin. It is easier for them to chose what hits them. For example I run a 10 trap lineup in this meta. Not to go off topic onto the meta trap lineup. Because everyone is different. But I run: 3x Sakuratsu Armor, 3x Widespread Ruin, 2x Dust Tornado, 1x Torrential Tribute , and 1x Call of the Haunted . That is my lineup, which shows that a lot of people are bringing up the trap lineup count. Showing more ways Yata can be killed.

Second reason I think Yata should come off is, because of the searchable. Because right now it is ONLY searchable by Sangan. And the only other way is to draw it. I think it is still really rare to be able to stop a duel on its own. I think only if you have the off chance to top decking the one in your deck while your opponent is top decking with nothing on the field.

Third and final reason I think it should come back is because it will add a bigger skill factor into the game. Leaving people that don’t know how to conserve cards in the dust. Because if you are able to get top decking easily you should and will get owned.....

Just was bored and wanted to put my voice out there. If anyone reads it....


Ced and Yata switched the game. =\ They don't need a card that auto - wins to come back.

[Retain]

Yata is still too powerful. Especially in this format, where people tend to topdeck like crazy :P.

[The Punisher]

Yeah, I'm pretty sure about that, considering I've not heard of that board. Generally, I'm Tarot Ribos on other boards, actually.

I meant it as a compliment. Kill has to be the baddest badass that ever badassed in the history of the medium, and your way to own all these walking and typing punchlines in the thread struck a cord with that. Ah, if only the good ones didn't get banned for dropping the F-bomb, I'd suggest you adopt the habit here.

You missed the point.

I hope you'll find it in your heart to ever forgive me...

[KevinTewart]

People are moaning about lack of card drawing and you want a monster back that STOPS card drawing?

[pineapple4brains]

People are moaning about lack of card drawing and you want a monster back that STOPS card drawing?

yeah///

But people will never be satisfied they'll complain until the only card not banned
is shapesnatch/\-/\

Personally, I think a Wind attribute spirit bird is awesome. And I did win more games with it than I lost against it. BUT... for the good of the game, it should stay banned.

Prepare yourself, original poster, for... TOTAL ANALYSIS!


1) It is still that good. Card advantage is majorly emphasized in this format, moreso than in other past formats. The fact that this card leads to easy card advantage (and it does) makes it MORE broken than before.
2) It IS searchable. Even with just Sangan, it's not difficult to thin the deck enough to easily draw it. I like to call that indirect searching.
3) MORE skill? Are you kidding? A turn 3 lock (which I admit to pulling out more than once) is not a matter of skill, but luck. Get the right draws, and it's game over with the birdie. You'll be hard pressed to find many veterans of the game who thought Yata took more than an ounce of skill when it was around.


Really weak attack does not change the fact that it ENDS THE GAME. It may only be 200 a turn, but considering that can be maintained indefinitely without a chance to do anything in return makes numbers nearly irrelevant. It doesn't need to attack and kill anything... that's what Lightning Vortex, Smashing Ground, Fissure, and all the others are for.

And what idiot would allow Yata to be killed by something as simple as Sak Armor? Nobleman of Extermination that face down... where is your God now? And yes, I do indeed use NoE, and I use it successfully. Or wait... what about Jinzo? Or Royal Decree? Shutting down traps is insanely easy when you try. And people would try.

Finally, the whole "well, there's a counter" is not a valid argument, as has been shown multiple times. Guess what? Lots of cards can stop Raigeki. Does that mean that Raigeki isn't that broken and should come off? HELL NO. I could link to half a dozen other threads in which the kind of argument you just presented was completely shot down.


Look at what made it searchable back in the day: Sangan and Witch. Oh noes, we have no witch! Whatever shall we do!? It was truly only those two cards that made it searchable. And we still have one. Not to mention more people are utilizing cards like Mystic Tomato that may not be able to search Yata out, but can thin the deck incredibly fast. Deck thinning is an indirect method of searching, as it gives you greater chances to find the card you'd like to find.


Okay, so you're afraid of that Yata Garasu in my hand. So you hold back those Sak Armors, just in case I go for the lock. In the mean time, I'll smack you with my Slate Warriors. Or better yet, Don Zaloogs. You CAN'T conserve cards against Yata, or that one card will lock down multiple in your hand... basically giving you card disadvantage. Just because your opponent has it in their hand. Getting to topdeck mode on your own actions will indeed get you owned. But... the problem with Yata back in the day was that the decks using it and winning FORCED the opponent into topdeck mode. You could conserve cards all you wanted back then, and they would STILL find a way to make you topdeck.

You tried better than most at making an argument to bring back the bird, but it's still clear that you were not a serious player back when it was a problem. Perhaps if you saw the impact it was having back then, you'd understand why the bird can never come off the list.


WOw another person pwned by the catalyst...only half of the worlds population left.

[The Punisher]

People are moaning about lack of card drawing and you want a monster back that STOPS card drawing?

I hope this doesn't mean Pot will be back in four months time.


Yata was a mistake, it's all I will add. It was printed as a common, so nobody figured its "shortcoming" (returning to your hand) made it broken and immune to any normal removal. Why reintroduce a card that was a honest but brutal mistake in the first place?

[glittersword]

Personally, IMHO if MOST of the cards that comboed with this card and caused it to be abused so eisily are banned and the remainder is Limited, then I would have no problem seeing this card come back for a six mounth stint. Just be careful what is removed from the ban list at the same time this is unbanned. In other words do not EVER unban this and CEDragon at the sime time. It is after all a valid way to win and I wouldn't mind testing it with the new cards. It could be very interesting to see how a deck based on serious hand control stackes up against a Dark World Deck.

I think ALL cards need to be dusted off and used ocasionally. You just need to control the varios combos.

[ss4giel]

Shinobi II, You are so wrong. In a 141 meta you think yata isn't good. el oh el.

[II Shinobi II]

Yeah, I'm pretty sure about that, considering I've not heard of that board. Generally, I'm Tarot Ribos on other boards, actually.


Actually, it can be decent earlier on, as well. Just as Time Seal or Drop Off is played before people are topdecking, Yata can be used in a similar manner for when you don't have other, more important monsters to play.


I never said Spirit Reaper was a bad card, by any means. And I know it's tougher to kill than other monsters. Very little is commonly played that actually targets. But this thread is not about Spirit Reaper, now is it? But for the record, combine it with Yata... and your opponent is very much screwed. Hence, how I won several games in the days before the ban list ever came about.


EXCEPT... it's more than one per deck, if you play properly. Torrential Tribute isn't banned, and that essentially acts as Dark Hole. As one example. Phoenix can provide its own Heavy Storm. Mobius, in some cases, could possibly be better than Heavy Storm. Basically, my point is, you can find ways to get the effects without actually needing the cards Dark Hole and Heavy Storm.


Flaming is indeed fun. It's actually quite amazing I haven't been banned off this board yet. Just take a look at some of my past posts for giggles.

But as for the support winning games vs. the Bird... no. Back then, before the ban list, a lucky topdeck could LITERALLY turn the game around. "Pot of Greed, oh look! Raigeki! Monster Reborn *insert bomb of choice here*! Attack directly for bunches!" And yes, things like that did happen. Look at the current ban list, and you'll notice many of those cards were obscenely abused in most tourny-worthy decks. True, when you were down card advantage you faced problems back then, but it wasn't nearly as much of an issue as it is now. For a while, at the start of this ban list, good tourny players were resigning after getting down one card against the opponent. Then people got smarter. But still, that should indicate the importance of card advantage. Back then, it was indeed the Bird that won games. It stopped any chance of a comeback. Now, I suppose that is less of an issue, but it is still an easy card advantage engine.

As for counters... yeah, everything has a counter. But they can't all be played. So Yata essentially had no counter back in the day. The best you could hope for was to hit it with DDuo or Confiscation and pray Fiber Jar didn't hit the field. Which is why no one can argue that "everything has a counter." For all intents and purposes, Yata has NO counter whatsoever. Sak Armor/Widespread is the best you'll get. Too bad there's a lot of trap hate out there...


You missed the point. Any decent player could get YOU topdecking by turn three. Duo, Smashing Ground/NoC, MST/Heavy/Whatever, Spirit Reaper/Don Zaloog. That's one turn. And if you couldn't pull off something similar to this back then, you honestly had no chance at regionals, let alone nats/worlds. THAT'S how turn 3 Yata locks happened. Although I will confess, it wasn't that common. Turn 6 was far moreso. :D

And there's just one more statement I have to address in particular...

I refuse to take a game "seriously," as it defies the purpose of a game. Yet I did win my fair share of tournaments. With and without the Bird. Of course, if you were a true veteran of the game, you'd know me by now. Good job looking stupid...

And if you truly think this game is boring, then don't play it. Go away. It's meant for fun, and if you can't get fun out of it, why continue? Quit whining about how crappy the meta is and go play Type 1 MTG if you truly want your FTKs.

First you say its fun to flame. And then you complain like a little kid how your points are wrong and flame back. And how would I know you by now? I never said I liked FTks in the post either. And 2 MTG was ruined in my opinion after Kamigawa Block. And 3, A good players cant always get you to yata-lock 3rd turn because they need to have cards to go and **** your field. then need a nice Reaper or Don. And normally to have all that it fills up most of your hand
leaving no room for reaper. And there is no Duo in the meta....

WOw another person pwned by the catalyst...only half of the worlds population left.

I am still here and truly dont care... Because its an oppinion not a ball ****ing contest....

I think ALL cards need to be dusted off and used ocasionally. You just need to control the varios combos.

My point exactly.....

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Also everyone please you are taking this tooo seriously.... Just an opinion....

[The Catalyst]

I meant it as a compliment. Kill has to be the baddest badass that ever badassed in the history of the medium, and your way to own all these walking and typing punchlines in the thread struck a cord with that. Ah, if only the good ones didn't get banned for dropping the F-bomb, I'd suggest you adopt the habit here.
Sounds good. Compliments are nice. :D In that event, thanks!

First you say its fun to flame. And then you complain like a little kid how your points are wrong and flame back. And how would I know you by now? I never said I liked FTks in the post either.
1) Duh I'm going to flame back. Because flaming IS fun. Unless I'm missing something.
2) FTK's... uh... yeah... *points to your custom user title*

And 2 MTG was ruined in my opinion after Kamigawa Block.
Granted, Kamigawa was somewhat underpowered. But it followed Mirrodin, which was along the lines power-wise as Tempest. Which means it was overpowered. I'm also reminded of Mercadian Masques, as it followed Urza's Saga. Few people are complaining now that MM ruined the game.

And 3, A good players cant always get you to yata-lock 3rd turn because they need to have cards to go and **** your field. then need a nice Reaper or Don. And normally to have all that it fills up most of your hand
leaving no room for reaper. And there is no Duo in the meta....
3 Reapers + 3 Dons is six cards. And yes, three of each is possible in a deck that makes hand control the primary focus. In a 40 card deck, there's a 15% chance that you'll draw one of those in any given draw. You essentially draw six cards for your opening hand (5+1 draw), which gives you a 90% chance of drawing at least one Reaper or Don. Try convincing me now that "it leaves no room." And in a format where 1-1 trades are the norm, you shouldn't have a hard time clearing the field. Finally, I acknowledged Duo's not in the meta anymore. But hey, Confiscation is! And that guarantees you'll hit the card that can stop Yata!

I am still here and truly dont care... Because its an oppinion not a ball ****ing contest....
I love how you're ignoring the opinions of everyone of those people who have been members of the board for a long time, while accepting the opinions of those with less than 300 posts. I mean, come on! Even giel agrees with me on this one! Why are you incapable of admitting you made a mistake? Everyone gets things wrong once in a while, even I do. But at least I have the integrity to admit when I'm wrong.

*Looks around*

Holy crap, Kevin Tewart agrees that it'd be a bad idea! And guess who has influence over what the banned/restricted list looks like!

[II Shinobi II]

I am just discussing and debating on the topic Catalyst. And even if your on these boards forever doesnt mean you know what your talking about. I obviously know more thins compared to others(No fingers pointed). Also I think I already acknowledged other people's opinions on the matter and now I am discussing that more in depth. Not like new people are posting here....

I like debating topics and finding more out about cards and the opinion. But debates are not fun when you are flaming....

[ToonCommander]

I think YATA should come back

[The Catalyst]

I think YATA should come back
No you don't. Because you clearly can't come up with a reason as to why it should. If you could have come up with a reason, you would have posted it instead of just spamming your opinion, right?

I am just discussing and debating on the topic Catalyst. And even if your on these boards forever doesnt mean you know what your talking about. I obviously know more thins compared to others(No fingers pointed). Also I think I already acknowledged other people's opinions on the matter and now I am discussing that more in depth. Not like new people are posting here....

I like debating topics and finding more out about cards and the opinion. But debates are not fun when you are flaming....
In that event, I suggest you actually READ my posts. You might find that I've actually got something to say about Yata in them.

And as for my tenure on these boards relating to my knowledge of the game... well, perhaps if you looked at my past posts, you'd find that I do indeed know what the hell I'm talking about. On top of that, I've been playing the game since it hit US shores, and I've won enough tournaments to have lost count. Somewhere well in the double digits, though. I am not as ignorant about the game as you seem to think I am.

Ah well. You are boring me now, Shinobi. I think that means it is time that I take my leave from this topic and let it degenerate as it will.

[blueD]

Look that would be a three card combo. They most likely still have a hand. And you can only run one of each. its a 1.5% chance of drawing all three cards....

Lol.....

Yeah unless they ban cards liek Dark Hole/Heavy, or anything that clears the field at all. Remeber this format is topdeckn mode =], I mean your opponent sack and Top that ****...GFG? Then again, it will be a bad topdeck for your opponent when you have 5+...

My points is, nah I don't think they should un-ban it. Yeah it only searchable by Sangan, and Via 1-3 D.D.Capsule <--only card I can think of lol. But seriously, they flip-flop decks out there, so while I could easily gaining these advt. +1 from drawing and stuff. It going be matter of time they gonna draw into Yata=Smashing/MST=GG.

I mean I don't care if yata get un-ban, just DON"T UNBAN it now. This format doesn't deserve it. Just my 2 cent...I didn't bother reading the 3 page of this..sorry ='/

EDIT: I mean what if your opponent have Cyber Dragon/Mobius Smashing, and Snatch in hand? Lol Opponent "Status???, Summon Yata attack!"... Game'D....that a common hand lol.

[II Shinobi II]

You didnt have to read all of this. Most of it was Catalyst spamming/flamming. I think taking yugioh seriously though, you need major help....

Also if my opinion is spamming what the hell is an article? Articles are opinions most of the time.

we shoud probly let this thread collect dust...

[TheMysticOne-LV4]

um... with cyber dragon, storm, dark hole etc.... no waycyber dragon makes it SO easy to keep the lock
*i set the last monster in my hand, now your stupid bird cant get through*
*cyber dragon, yata, gg*
also people would throw it randomly in everything, because it just be another "if they over extend i have a card that will punish them" card

[zgoxten]

Once you clear their field w/ nobleman, smashing, dust, mst, etc. Yata will still prevent them from drawing. Which means they have to play w/ what they had before w/ no new resources. I find that annoying. And once things go down to topdecking...topdeck yata! yay

[II Shinobi II]

Once you clear their field w/ nobleman, smashing, dust, mst, etc. Yata will still prevent them from drawing. Which means they have to play w/ what they had before w/ no new resources. I find that annoying. And once things go down to topdecking...topdeck yata! yay

Its the same with clearing their feild for Don/Reaper. With both of them having more access to. Don with RotA. And Reaper ran in 2/3's no need to search for it. Yata/Don/Reaper, its all the same in the end getting hit by. You are still one card down.

Let this thread collect dust please.....