C'mon, Time think about Nobleman of Extermanation..

[The Tourist]

I mean, it's worth a look.

Every deck being posted for some R/F, is being told,
"Minus this for Sak Armor, minus that for Sak.Armor"
Sak is a great card, but when I know there's a good chance my op is running 3 of them...Game On!!! Bring out Mr. Extermination

This is what the trap selection looks like in "their" Advanced Format Deck:
[3]Sak armor
[2]Dust Torn.
Bottomless Trap
COTH

Which is a solid lineup. Hell, even my trap lineup look's like that, LOL.
But I also have a little variety of trap's in my side along with some NoE's. NoE hasn't failed me yet.

With that being said, maybe it's time to think about NoE.

RoFlavin the Monarch

P.S. if anyone rips me, and call's me a noob, I put a hex on every deck you will every build for the rest of eternity.

***EDIT***
I just got finished reading:

"WiCkEd's Deck Garage
Bite To Break Skin: Interesting Tech Ideas
By: WiCkEd
1.09.06"

Short article, but sweet. I guess someone that read my thread agree's with me...(OhTheSkySoBlue)

NoE is nothing new. Since the new ban list I've had one or two of those bad boy's close to me. You don't see any NoE's in any of my deck's in sig, but you also don't see a Side-Deck either. I can't tell you how many time's I've side-decked NoE, and he helped me win the duel. It's a great spell card, and if used right can bring nasty, nasty pain.

OK, I just had to get that off my chest. I know there's plenty of people out there on the NoE tip. So many Props to you, wherever you are :)

[freemann1]

The reason nobody uses it is because most s/t cards that anyone would set can be chained against the effect of NoE & would be used anyway. Any card that NoE can destroy, MST also destroys. Plus, MST can destroy face up s/t cards & is a quickplay.

[danraijin]

so i play nobleman get rid of their sak armor, at the same time remove the other 2. so i pretty much thinned out their deck by three cards.

mst on the other hand removes the immediate threat while giving ur opponent no advantage what so ever.


oh yeah theres also the chainability aspect of it also.

laterz

[The Tourist]

Tell me, how are u gonna chain Sak Armor?
OR, Bottomless TrapHole?

Both said cards seem to be going into everyones deck!!!

Sure you can chain it to to Dust Tornadoe, and MST, and TON of other cards. I just brought him up(Nobleman of Ex.) because all the cookie cutting Sak.Armor, and Bottomless Trapholes going into everyone's deck lately (my deck included. Ha Ha Ha)
He might come in handy.

[Abisal]

I guess you can run it as a filler in a Zombie deck, this and V-Lord should take care of your opponent's defense lines. Just try to run Widespread Ruin/Mirror Wall instead of Sakuretsu Armor.

[The Tourist]

Now your talking...ZOMBIE!!!!!!!

[now2ai8]

With the rise of non chainable traps, now is the best time to run NoE. It may not be a quick play, however, it has speed. You do not have to wait a turn to use it. A lot of times, that could mean a win or a lost. I don't mind deck thinning for them if I know that the majority of their protection is gone. It gives you the ability to swarm.

[Aeto]

so i play nobleman get rid of their sak armor, at the same time remove the other 2. so i pretty much thinned out their deck by three cards.

mst on the other hand removes the immediate threat while giving ur opponent no advantage what so ever.


oh yeah theres also the chainability aspect of it also.

laterz

I find this funny. NoE removes the immediate threat, and removing two cards which could be crucial, and I mean majorly CRUCIAL, to your opponent in the long run is not something to scuff at.

And yeah, Dust Tornado is chainable when you have no M/T :/ Sak Armor is the most chainable trap out there [/Obvious Sarcasm] and Bottomless is a crucial card to your opponent at anytime. At this point and time, Deck Thinning is useless, because you thin your deck of cards you don't NEED, not cards you most likely will need later (In which case, Sak Armor is always useful).

Well, IMO, NoE is well worth a shot. People are complaining about a lack of M/T Removers, well, here's your answer. Now you have a grand total of 4 M/T Removers, and, if you can avoid using Saks and Bottomlesses in your deck, doesn't hurt you at all.

[Shiryuu]

hmmm this is so wierd I was just thinking of this same thing earlier today.....and for the same reasons


if you try something different like widespread it doesnt hurt.......of course if you want your cards RFG then go ahead and run 3 saks and BTH and then use it on your own cards (although i dont recommend it)

[Shaheed]

its 2 slow. maybe if it was a quickplay. if ure running only decree's and CotH then go ahead and use it. if ure using a more standard trap line up then you shouldnt. but still there is better forms of m/t removal. ppl run 2-3 dusts heavy mst breaker and mobius i dont see a reason to use this at all.

[SNYPE]

Tell me, how are u gonna chain Sak Armor?
OR, even Call of the Haunted?
OR, Bottomless TrapHole?

Both said cards seem to be going into everyones deck!!!
I didn't think I would need to, but I guess it's time for a chainability lesson...

Sakuretsu Armor-Unchainable
Call of the Haunted-Chainable
Bottomless Trap Hole-Unchainable
Dust Tornado-Chainable
Torrential Tribute-Unchainable
Compulsory Evacuation Device-Chainable
Waboku-Chainable
Royal Decree-Chainable
Trap Hole-Unchainable
Magic Cylinder-Unchainable
Solemn Judgment-Chainable
Ceasefire-Chainable
Dimension Wall-Unchainable
Draining Shield-Unchainable
Negate Attack-Unchainable
Book of Moon-Chainable
Mystical Space Typhoon-Chainable
Scapegoat-Chainable

In this format the chances of hitting a S/T with this card is pretty much 50%.

Of course the chances fluctuate based on the type of deck you play, an example would be that CC decks run very few chainable S/Ts and an original build often runs more chainable S/Ts.

I think this card should be used more often, however most of us can't find room for it and those that can ignore it. It isn't underrated though since we all see it's use, it is only underplayed.

[The Tourist]

Very well put SNYPE. I think Nobleman of Ex. is very underplayed.

Just put a little extra variety of traps in your side deck, and add Nobleman, and play a mean head-game on your op.

[Pemolis]

I'm going to note some stuff on the chainable stuff

Call of the Haunted-Chainable (you have to have something in the graveyard in order to use it).

Dust Tornado-Chainable (there has to be a target on the field to Dust Tornado first, and if the only target on the field is on your opponents side... well you just got a 2 for 1).

Compulsory Evacuation Device-Chainable (again needs a target, and if the opponent wants to bounce their own card back to their hand.. thats fine by me).

Waboku-Chainable (can't be helped)
Royal Decree-Chainable (just too powerful)


Solemn Judgment-Chainable (They can either lose all 3 Judgements, or lose 1/2 their lifepoints). Hard choice, especially at the beginning of the game.

Ceasefire-Chainable (least you can fire it off before you set your cyberjar/morphing jar/mof).

Book of Moon-Chainable (this card is pure annoying)

Mystical Space Typhoon-Chainable (Then they'll have to target something).
Scapegoat-Chainable (only if your opponent has only 1 monster or fewer monsters on the field, it'll kill it if he doesn't have the room).

[The Tourist]

disregard this post...thanks

[pineapple4brains]

Honestly you will not Exterminate all of there Sak Armors because sak armors are generally speedy for a trap so either you will hit one sak armor and the rest will be in the graveyard oryou will hit a bluff.

Honestly Dust Tornado is better being able to be played on Call of The Haunted Premature Burial and Snatch Steal(possibly the most devestating cards in this format)whereas nobleman of extermination could not.

Also Nobleman of extermination cannot be used in the endphase opening up the possiblity that your opponent will chain something like enemy controller book of mmon scapegoat and dust tornado possibly making nobleman of extermination a 2for1 which is bad 1for2 is what del duo is.

Also thinning your opponents deck by 2 is not a good thing at all.

[Mikes]

flavin brings up a good point.the only cards that would realy be able to stop it(that people run anyways) would be dust tornado and m.s.t, and a few other less popular cards. heavy storm and giant trunade are no problem to this card. i think this cold be avery valuable card in this format.

[The Tourist]

Just had to bring this thread back for today. Read my EDIT for reason why...LOL

[Exiled]

Also thinning your opponents deck by 2 is not a good thing at all.

True, but if the said removed card can potentially save you in the long run (ie, Sakuretsu), then it paid off seeing as you won't need to fear attacking your opponent. That is why I extremly suggest using a copy of this in your aggro deck, not control. BTW Pineapples, PM me back

[SuperJay]

I didn't think I would need to, but I guess it's time for a chainability lesson...

Call of the Haunted-Chainable
Compulsory Evacuation Device-Chainable
Solemn Judgment-Chainable
Ceasefire-Chainable
Book of Moon-Chainable

In this format the chances of hitting a S/T with this card is pretty much 50%.



The above S/T are indeed chainable, but need target(s) to be used or the desire to use them.

+Call of the Haunted, if there is no monsters in grave, then this will be RFG.
+Compulsory Evacuation Device, if there is no monster on the field, it'll be RFG unless they want to return their only monster to their hand.
+Solemn Judgment, will your opp. want to pay 4000LP at the begining of the duel to stop it?
+Ceasefire, again, if there are no monsters on field, can't chain it, or if your opp. has a face down flip effect he/she wants to get off, will they want to chain this for 500LP damage.
+Book of Moon/ Enemy Controller, again no targets means they will be RFG.
+Return from the Different Dimension, again will your opp. want to pay 1/2 their LP early game to bring back maybe 1-2 monsters during your turn? If they have no RFG monsters, RFtDD is RFG, their entire deck falls apart at this point.


I currently run 2 of these in my spellcaster spell counter deck.
I usually get one in my opening hand.
Most players will usually set a bottomless or sakuretsu on their 1st turn to try and get some early advantage.
I'd say it's closer to 75-85% of the time you will hit something that will hurt your opponant.

Removing their 3x Sakuretsu armors or 2x Bottomless trap holes, may thin their deck, but destroys their main defenses leaving them with 3 Smashing grounds, 1 torrential tribute, 1 dark hole. You can freely summon and attack without fears of 1-1's killing you.

Toss in 1-2 Cursed Seal of the Forbidden spell for when they play their 1st Smashing Ground and you've neutralized upwards of EIGHT 1-1 cards from their deck with 4 of your cards. I'd say that's pretty good advantage and massively cripples your opp.

Also running different traps then what most CC's use is key here.
I run Magic Cylinder, Magician's Circle(2), Torrential Tribute and Call of the Haunted. So I'm not VERY likely not hitting my own deck when I use my 2 noblemans.

-SuperJay

[pineapple4brains]

bootsy

It's bad if they have a set call or call face up or prem face up or bluff face down.
Also against ffc it's not very good ffc uses so much offensive traps killing 3 of there saks thins there deck and then they have 3 widespread to fall back on.Also if you have a set card then playing it risks you getting dust tornado for 1for2.

Some of the best cards in this format are call,prem,snatch steal

which NOE does nothing against.

SO use dust tornado.

[mech-hound]

bootsy

It's bad if they have a set call or call face up or prem face up or bluff face down.
Also against ffc it's not very good ffc uses so much offensive traps killing 3 of there saks thins there deck and then they have 3 widespread to fall back on.Also if you have a set card then playing it risks you getting dust tornado for 1for2.

Some of the best cards in this format are call,prem,snatch steal

which NOE does nothing against.

SO use dust tornado.

I gotta agree wth pineapple...snatch is the #1 most potentially game changing card allowed right now...that helps tornado alot...

[Chewie69x0]

noe is ok but i dont like the fact that things can be chainable to it.... but no main deck worthy.... and siding is a maybe

[zgoxten]

I didn't think I would need to, but I guess it's time for a chainability lesson...

Sakuretsu Armor-Unchainable
Call of the Haunted-Chainable
Bottomless Trap Hole-Unchainable
Dust Tornado-Chainable
Torrential Tribute-Unchainable
Compulsory Evacuation Device-Chainable
Waboku-Chainable
Royal Decree-Chainable
Trap Hole-Unchainable
Magic Cylinder-Unchainable
Solemn Judgment-Chainable
Ceasefire-Chainable
Dimension Wall-Unchainable
Draining Shield-Unchainable
Negate Attack-Unchainable
Book of Moon-Chainable
Mystical Space Typhoon-Chainable
Scapegoat-Chainable

In this format the chances of hitting a S/T with this card is pretty much 50%.

Of course the chances fluctuate based on the type of deck you play, an example would be that CC decks run very few chainable S/Ts and an original build often runs more chainable S/Ts.

I think this card should be used more often, however most of us can't find room for it and those that can ignore it. It isn't underrated though since we all see it's use, it is only underplayed.


Really? 50%? Here in GA at least it's 3 Saks, Widespread, Book, MST, TT, BTH, Call, and somtimes 1 or 2 Dust. 8 aren't chainable out of 11 cards. You'll most likely kill something to get a 1 for 1, and if you hit a Sak or Widespread even better. It's still a 1 for 1 with an up and down effect which is what matters to me.

[Romancer]

Nobleman of Extermination is probably the most overlooked S/T remover in the game right now. It's pure anti-CC. It kills Sakuretsu Armor, Widespread Ruin, Bottomless Trap Hole, Trap Hole, and all other non-chainable traps, and also all copies of thsoe traps from your opponent's deck. A player relying on 3 copies of any of thsoe traps will lose 3 pieces of protection and monster removal at the cost of 1 card.

Even if you hit a chainable S/T in main phase 1, your forceing your opponent to activate the card at a time that probably isn't very oppurtune for them. When I R/F, I usually choose this over Dust Tronados, ecspecially in warrior decks and 1TK decks. Waiting a turn for that set Dust Tornado to be usable can mean the difference between getting your 1TK off or losing the game.

My favorite part of the card is, any player using a unique, diverse, original (whatever you want to call it) spell or trap line up will not lose any of their cards to their own Nobleman's effect.

The part I hate about this card is having to reveal my deck to my opponent if I'm only running 1 or 2 copies of a trap or if 1 copy is in my hand. This could be a beneficial effect for some, but for me, it's quite annoying.

[S i l e n t l i n e]

I'm not sure if they changed the ruling... But last time I heard the ruling on Nobleman of Extermination... Even if they chain it... They all get removed from the game (Just the first one get's the effect still)...

Now if they changed that ruling... I don't know... But if it is the same... Chainability doens't really matter...

If the ruling is what I think it is... Or even if it isn't... If you aren't running the generic trap line-up that most people are... Use this card...

It is worth it to get rid of Sakurestu Armors... Bottomless Trap Holes... Widespread Ruins... And other cards like it...

One of the main things about this environment (Which I know because I ran my deck like people do now before this banned list (Before the last two actually))... Is that without the traps to protect... The deck won't stand up too well by its own... But that doesn't mean it can't... But it won't be as affective... And the chances are... Your monsters are going to be stronger... And you will have other traps... And some nice spells... So your chances of winning are more...

But if you run most of the same cards... Don't do it... But it is worth the try...

[The Tourist]

Shhhhhhhhh!!!!!!!!!!!

*tell's Silentline...mum's the word*

LOL, now you can't break it down like that to 'em...LOL(now everyone's going to change their trap lineup, and abuse one or two)

I posted this thread awhile ago, because I am so in love with -NoE-

It's won me a lot of duel's. The look on my Op's face when I take out his Sak's, WideSpread's, Dust's, and get them down to a minimal defense against my atk...priceless.

Silentline said it best:
One of the main things about this environment (Which I know because I ran my deck like people do now before this banned list (Before the last two actually))... Is that without the traps to protect... The deck won't stand up too well by its own... But that doesn't mean it can't... But it won't be as affective... And the chances are... Your monsters are going to be stronger... And you will have other traps... And some nice spells... So your chances of winning are more...

YUP...;)

[Mayuga]

I tested this in my deck, and it worked out pretty effective.

[Cantor Dust]

With the upcoming banlist, and everyone complaining about 3 saks, 2 bottoms, and 2 wides, i'm surprised cards like this don't get played more often.

Instead of limiting cards, people should try to counter them.

[MudDog1986]

it can be used,just slip in royal decree instead of the standard 3 sakuretsu's