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Knight X
09-13-2005, 09:13 PM
16*.Creatures.*16
Vampire Lord
Vampire Lord
Jinzo
Pyramid Turtle
Pyramid Turtle
Pyramid Turtle
Spirit Reaper
Spirit Reaper
Magician of Faith
Magician of Faith
Berserk Gorilla
D.D. Assailant
D.D. Warrior Lady
Morphing Jar
Sangan
Breaker The Magical Warrior
Tribe-Infecting Virus

17*.Spells.*17
Nobleman of Crossout
Nobleman of Crossout
My Body As A Shield
My Body As A Shield
Book of Life
Book of Moon
Confiscation
Dark Hole
Pot of Greed
Snatch Steal
Heavy Storm
Metamorphosis
Scapegoat
Mystical Space Typhoon
Creature Swap
Premature Burial
Swords of Revealing Light

7*.Traps.*7
Sakuretsu Armor
Sakuretsu Armor
Dust Tornado
Dust Tornado
Bottomless Trap Hole
Torrential Tribute
Call of The Haunted

*.Side Deck.*
Sacred Phoenix of Nephthys
Airknight Parshath
Mobius The Frost Monarch
Hand of Nephthys
Apprentice Magician
Enraged Battle Ox
Tsukuyomi
Legendary Jujitsu Master
My Body As A Shield
Messenger of Peace
Book of Life
Ceasefire
Robbin' Goblin
Bottomless Trap Hole
Bottomless Trap Hole

Undead Knight
09-13-2005, 09:25 PM
-Jinzo
-Beserk Gorilla
+V-Lord/Ryu Kokki/Giant Rat
+Giant Rat

Rats and HEAPS of speed to a zombie deck. If you want more tips take a look at my deck.

Knight X
09-13-2005, 09:33 PM
-Jinzo
-Beserk Gorilla
+V-Lord/Ryu Kokki/Giant Rat
+Giant Rat

Rats and HEAPS of speed to a zombie deck. If you want more tips take a look at my deck.

Jinzo is needed seeing as traps are gonig to be highly played and Berserk is near Staple now seeing as swarm.Rta would work but thats a different kind of zombie,you were thinking of total Zombie swarm,mines kinda Zombie/Stall.

T_MASTER
09-13-2005, 09:43 PM
-Berserk
+D.D. Assailant
-2x Sakuretu (Side Them)
+BTH
+Cylinder

Well, Berserk will never be near staple, not by a long shot, DDA also helps with Swarm, and Anti-Phoenix. Sakuretsu is good, but against, Zombie Phoenix(Most Probable CC) not so good, BTH is better. You dont have to add Cylinder, I just suggested it because it looks cool :D . Besides Cylinder, you probably knew all that right, right?

btodac
09-13-2005, 09:50 PM
- Sakuretsu Armor
+ Deck Devastation Virus

- My Body As a Shield
+ Ryu Kokki

Please R/F my deck too!
http://www.pojo.biz/board/showthread.php?t=203837

Knight X
09-14-2005, 02:57 PM
-Berserk
+D.D. Assailant
-2x Sakuretu (Side Them)
+BTH
+Cylinder

Well, Berserk will never be near staple, not by a long shot, DDA also helps with Swarm, and Anti-Phoenix. Sakuretsu is good, but against, Zombie Phoenix(Most Probable CC) not so good, BTH is better. You dont have to add Cylinder, I just suggested it because it looks cool :D . Besides Cylinder, you probably knew all that right, right?

Cylinder sucks and sakls are near staples now since mirror force is gone and swarm is highly played.and yes berserk is near staple because off no more mirror force scapegoat book of moon rinng of destruction and more.Also 2 My Bodys is stapel in zombie we don't want no BTH killing us now do we.

T_MASTER
09-14-2005, 04:46 PM
Fine, dont listen to me then. Though my suggestions are good, you probably just cant see why. There will never be a Monster thats near staple in the next Format, true, I can except Berserk will be a near CC, but you have a really weak grasp on the games mechanic if you think itll be near Staple. Sak is good, I never said it wasnt, but BTH gets rid of V-Lords and Phoenix almost permanently, while Sak just gives temporary protection. And when did I say anything about getting rid of My Bodies, I love those things, theyre great tech. Last but not least, Cylinder does not suck. Why do you have to dismiss every card, especially when I said that you dont have to include Cylinder if you want. You have some major issues to work out dude.

Fantasy_X69
09-14-2005, 05:40 PM
I don't know about having x2 Body As A Shield, but 1 might help. Though the only situation I can see it being helpful is when V. Lord comes back into play with it's effect and your opponent is ready with a BTH. Also, x3 Turtle's in my opinion is a bit much. I'd take one out since it'd probably be much better to have x2 Rat's to go along with the turtle's. Also take out a Magician of Faith for a Magical Merchant. Why you ask? Well....

1.) If your Magician gets NoC'ed, you don't have to end up removing ANOTHER MoF....

2.) This is Post Ban right? Well....MoF won't be nearly as useful post ban as it is now. Yea it can get back Pot of Greed, but with Graceful being banned (most likely) there isn't much to get back. I doubt you'll be wanting to spend 2000 life points for a 2 for 2 advantage....

3.) Any monsters you pick up with MM go to the graveyard. Well that's no problem with this being a Zombie deck and all. Especially if the magic that you pick up with MM is BoL. =D

Beserk Gorilla is meh. Take it out. It's not searchable by Rat so there's no need for it. Plus there will be a bunch of idiots replacing BoM with Enemy Controller, which kills Gorilla. The deck is speed, not so much Beatdown.

I don't really know about MJ. I've never liked him cuz half the time my opponent gets better cards from it or they discard sinister for the first part of the effect (even though I know it'll be banned soon). Do what ya' want with it....

Metamorphosis comes out. It's just not as good as it used to be. ;_; Even though V. Lord CAN be morph'ed into Balter....eh, I'd rather keep Vampy. =\

Sakaretsu Armor's will be sub-par after ban. They really will online delay the inevitable. Especially when people will be playing Phoenix and Vampy up the ying-yang. BTH will be SOOOO much better, trust me. =P

I've never been fond of Torrential in Zombie decks....but I still play it now because of BLS. I might take it out though depending on how many people play V. Lord and especially Phoenix. This is more about what people play in your area, but if alot play aggro Beast or something like that, play it. If they play Zombie Phoenix or a hybrid of it, I wouldn't suggest playing it. Either way, you have to time it right, because I'd rather have my Turtle's and Rat's get attacked then just sent to the graveyard uselessly (if that's a word. =P).

x2 Dust Tornado with Jinzo? o_O

I'll assume that stuff I am not 100% taking out that you want to keep them.

So then....

- Magician of Faith
- Pyramid Turtle
- Beserk Gorilla
- My Body As A Shield
- Metamorphosis
- Sakaretsu Armor
- Sakaretsu Armor
- Dust Tornado

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+ Giant Rat
+ Giant Rat
+ Exiled Force
+ Magical Merchant
+ Book of Life
+ Bottomless Trap Hole
+ Smashing Ground
+ Creature Swap

Giant Rat's = God with Exiled....and IFL for that matter, but I didn't really think you need it in this deck. I don't play it myself.

Why you had only 1 BoL in here before I have no clue....but w/e. =\

As I said, BTH will be much more useful post-ban....so 2 are definitely needed.

Smashing Ground is just for some removal....I run 2, they definitely help in times of need like when my opponent has Jinzo out and I have a CotH and Dust Tornado set. lol

Creature....oh my....Creature Swap. This is one of my favorite cards in Zombie decks. Imagine this situation. Your opponent has Jinzo on the field with 2 m/t's set. This is a pretty common situation having Jinzo out. You have a Turtle set or even Giant Rat for that matter. You creature Swap and suddenly from the swap you've gained a 1 card advantage attacking your Rat or Turtle and retrieving a monster. Plus you do some damage. On top of that, if you don't like Jinzo bein' on the field because you wanna use a trap, if you swapped a goat, just grab that exiled, attack with it, and kill Jinzo. =D Then if you're really lucky and have one of those perfect type hands goin' on....BoL a monster and remove Jinzo. xD

SiphonX
09-14-2005, 06:10 PM
Okay. Let's think what this week's "flavor card" is...

My Body as a Shield is the most ridiculous card to have in a deck based upon self-replacers, no less Vampire Lord. This has to be the stupidest thing I've seen to date (and that's including the deck based upon Hurricane Katrina). However, the rest of your deck doesn't look taht bad. You just need to THINK the next time you decide to put in a flavor card.

Consequently, you need not most of the Traps that you've included. Such cards like Dust Tornado, Bottomless Trap Hole, and even - yes - one of the big two, Torrential Tribute. (Though Torrential Tribute isn't necessary, it still is an excellent source of removal. Keep it if you want to.) Let me expound upon this theory...

The absolute worst card your opponent could have is something akin to Mirror Wall, which, as I predict, even after the bans come around, won't be popular. Force and Ring are gone. Noone will run Bottomless Trap Hole because of the lack of Monsters played that it is able to respond to (Zombies have 2-3, at most). Your prime concern will be Sakuretsu, and well, if they use that against your Vamp Lord, you would be almost unaffected.

What you need to do is understand that Vampire Lord is the pinnacle of the Zombie deck's strength, and though I've heard many a people say that it wasn't worth running three for, having one more will further increase the chances of being able to win. It is 1) a searchable method to a nice attacker and 2) a Monster with a nasty regenerative effect. Almost one-quarter of your opponent's deck is laid to waste by this nasty Tribute Monster. I'm still in shock as to why people make the claim that a third V-Lord would slow a Zombie deck down; the semi-limitation of V-Lord made it even more potent, and I expect the unlimitation of it to throw the scales off-balance.

Hence, my fixes are thus:

-1 Jinzo
-2 My Body as a Shield
-2 Dust Tornado
-1 Bottomless Trap Hole

+1 Vampire Lord
+1 Book of Life
+1 Lightning Vortex (if it's your forté)
+2 Ekibyo Drakmord (try it; you might surprise yourself)
+1 Sakuretsu Armor

topspin1617
09-14-2005, 06:14 PM
I think you should switch Berserk Gorilla for another DDA. DDA can take out almost every monster in the game. You may be able to suicide a Berserk Gorilla into V-Lord, but it won't help against Jinzo or SPoN.