Here is Your Ban List New Deck Template (all decks will use these 28 cards)

[Pemolis]

It is actually 50% of your deck. (20 cards specifically) (updated for new banlist)

Everybody seems to want to figure out what cards will become the (new cookie). So I decided to help everybody and create about 50% of your new deck (to keep it easy for you).

Here is what 90% of the new decks will consist of. If you want to be competative, Main Deck These Cards Come The New Banlist.


Monster, 4 Cards
Sangan
Breaker
D.D. Warrior Lady
Tsukuyomi X1


Sangan is a no brainer, Breaker for removal, DD For Removal.


Magic, 11 Cards (We All Will Run These)

MST
Heavy Storm
Lightning Vortex
Confiscation
Dark Hole
Book of Moon
Premature Burial
Nobleman of Crossout 1
Snatch Steal
Scapegoat
Metamorphosis

Scapegoat is still good Stall. ANd we can still use Metamorphosis for Balter, Thousand Eye, etc. Dark Hole and Lightning Vortex Complement destruction that is needed (because it WILL Be used against you). Snatch Steal, Premature, Confiscation Required. Heavy Storm and MST are needed for removing Call of the Haunted, Premature Burial and Royal Decree. All in all, Every Spell is required in the above list.



Traps, 5 Cards
Torrential Tribune
Call of the Haunted
Bottomless Trap Hole
Sakuesku Armor 1-3
Royal Decree 1-3


Basic Trap Card Lineup

1) Torrential, Call, Royal Decree X3

2) Bottomless X2, Sakuesku X2, Torrential, Call, Royal Decree.


Mirror Force will be replaced by Sakuesku Armor X2. Some may try to use Needle Ceiling instead but there will not be enough monsters on the field to ever use it with Dark Hole, Bottomless, Torrential Tribune and Lightning Vortex's going off. Call of the Haunted is our chainable revival, and Torrential Tribune is our mass removal, to go along with Dark hole and Lightning Vortex. We will all run at minimum, 1 royal decree for dealing with Sakuesku, torrential and every so often the random gravity bind or awkward trap from someone who is trying to be original.

Here is your 20 Minimum Card Requirements for your deck.
4 Monsters
11 Magic
5 Trap


Don't worry, I have 70% of your Side Deck laid out too.

Side Deck Requirements, 11 Cards

Jinzo
Mobius
Airknight
Royal Decree's
Sakuesku
Swords of Revealing Light
Card Destruction
Cyber Jar
Morphing Jar
Dust Tornado X2


Here is your During Ban List Deck Template. You have Room for 1 Trap Card of your Choice, Though I wouldn't recommend it. You have room for about 2 to 4 Magic Cards, Two of those should be Smashing Ground. Luckly Now, you get to choose about 12 Monster of your Choice, to create your "theme"

So here is your deck you will play for the Next 6 Months. Tweakage of 1 to 3 cards are allowed, but anything beyond that and the deck no longer will be competative.

[JAY BEE]

It is actually more than 28.

Everybody seems to want to figure out what cards will become the (new cookie). So I decided to help everybody and create about 65% of your new deck (to keep it easy for you).

Here is what 90% of the new decks will consist of. If you want to be competative, Main Deck These Cards Come The New Banlist.



Monster, 9 Cards
Sangan
Breaker
Tribe Infecting Virus
D.D. Warrior Lady
Magician of Faith X2
Tsukuyomi X1
Apprentice Magician X2


Sangan is a no brainer, Breaker for removal, Tribe for removal, DD For Removal, Magician of Faith, Tsukuyomi and Apprentice are all combo'd together for getting back Lightning Vortex, Pot of Greed, Black Hole, Heavy Storm, etc.


Magic, 13 Cards (We All Will Run These)
Pot of Greed
MST
Heavy Storm
Lightning Vortex
Confiscation
Dark Hole
Book of Moon
Premature Burial
Nobleman of Crossout 1-2
Snatch Steal
Scapegoat
Metamorphosis

Scapegoat is still good Stall. ANd we can still use Metamorphosis for Balter, Thousand Eye, etc. Dark Hole and Lightning Vortex Complement destruction that is needed (because it WILL Be used against you). Nobleman of Crossout X2 is mandatory for getting rid of Facedowns (but this can be replaced if you use Mystic Swordsman Level 2, or a few other facedown removal monsters, but it is generally good practice for removing Magician of Faith, Cyber Jar, Or Morphing Jar because we all will have them in our deck). Snatch Steal, Premature, Confiscation Required. Heavy Storm and MST are needed for removing Call of the Haunted, Premature Burial and Royal Decree. Pot of Greed, is pot of greed, required. All in all, Every Spell is required in the above list.



Traps, 5 Cards
Torrential Tribune
Call of the Haunted
Bottomless Trap Hole
Sakuesku Armor 1-3
Royal Decree 1-3


Mirror Force will be replaced by Sakuesku Armor X2. Some may try to use Needle Ceiling instead but there will not be enough monsters on the field to ever use it with Dark Hole, Bottomless, Torrential Tribune and Lightning Vortex's going off. Call of the Haunted is our chainable revival, and Torrential Tribune is our mass removal, to go along with Dark hole and Lightning Vortex... and Tribe infecting Virus. We will all run at minimum, 1 royal decree for dealing with Sakuesku, torrential and every so often the random gravity bind or awkward trap from someone who is trying to be original.

Here is your 28 Minimum Card Requirements for your deck.
9 Monsters
13 Magic
6 Trap


Don't worry, I have 70% of your Side Deck laid out too.

Side Deck Requirements, 11 Cards

Jinzo
Mobius
Airknight
Royal Decree's
Sakuesku
Swords of Revealing Light
Card Destruction
Cyber Jar
Morphing Jar
Dust Tornado X2


Here is your During Ban List Deck Template. You have Room for 1 Trap Card of your Choice, Though I wouldn't recommend it. You have room for about 2 to 4 Magic Cards, Two of those should be Smashing Ground. Luckly Now, you get to choose about 7 Monster of your Choice, to create your "theme"

So here is your deck you will play for the Next 6 Months. Tweakage of 1 to 3 cards are allowed, but anything beyond that and the deck no longer will be competative.

wow you are a complete noob. a lot of the stuff you mentioned are not staples whatsoever.

*magician of faith won't be abused much since there aren't nearly as many good spells to get back. it's not like before when you had triple goat/morph/other 2 trinity cards to abuse.

*and since mof lost considerable power and nobody will play multiples unless they're stupid, then also nobody will bother playing apprentice magicians. how stupid are you anyway? even in our current banlist with morph and the trinity running rampant, nobody plays apprentice magicians. so why would anyone run them after mof loses so much playability??

*metamorphosis is next to pointless to even play since itself, goat, and TER are restricted to 1. nobody will bother.

*and since nobody will bother with morph and there's no trinity to abuse, tsukuyomi is garbage. nobody will play that either.

*with sinister banned and dark hole unbanned, very few people will play lightning vortex. it isn't that great even in our current format and in october it gets even worse.

*how can you even consider bottomless, sakuretsu, and decree staples? they're good but not in EVERY deck. and why would you run decree along with unchainable traps? that's pretty ******ed. you would screw yourself over more than you would your opponent.

*that sidedeck template is the most horrible i've ever seen. i can't even begin to tell you how many of those cards don't need to be there.

why don't you do everyone a favor and not give any more advice about ygo because you suck at it. okay? kthx.

[Lord Tranorix]

A bit pessimistic, don't you think?

I disagree. At first, this may be what decks look like; but then people will realize that without Soldier and with 2/3 of the Trinity banned, other decks will become as competitive (and probably more competitive) than this.

[kazujin]

This list is lame, borderline crap. Two Apprentice Magicians? Lightning Vortex as a staple? WTF?

[chawzilla]

IMO Wrong. You definately don't need to run 2x MoF and 1x Tsuku to win. I havent run them in a while ......You also don't need Metamorphosis. You are basically just trying to keep some form of Goatcontrol alive even though it got shafted.

[VictorE]

JAY BEE though quite harsh, was also quite accurate by my estimation.
The biggest problem with that list? C'mon, Royal Decree x 1-3? The two best traps were just cut from the lineup.

[Warahyuu]

I will just point out some of the many things wrong with this template.

You never run 2 Apprentice Magicians when you only have 2 things it can search out.

Lightning Vortex will not be a staple without Sinister Serpent or Night Assailant.

Magician of Faith's main power is to recycle the trinity which no longer exists. Using Magician of Faith now won't help as much as it did before.

Metamorphosis is bad in singles as you are more likely to top deck it. Plus, morphing into TER isn't that useful with only one allowed per deck.

All you're trying to do is keep goat control alive when it's dead and rotting away.

[CCG FrEaK 1040]

i disagree with all the people that say mof is gonna not be used. i wouldnt be surprised if people started to run 3 we now have POG dark hole heavy storm confiscation and the like to get back thats enough for me to run mofs just think using dark hole 3 times in one game 0o0

[Envoy of Destruction]

As far as I know, 9 + 13 + 5 = 27, not 28, lol. . IMO, people will run Different Dimension Capsule and/or Toon Table of the Contents in 2-3, in order to have more search power.

[Shadowhawk11]

It is actually more than 28.

Everybody seems to want to figure out what cards will become the (new cookie). So I decided to help everybody and create about 65% of your new deck (to keep it easy for you).

Here is what 90% of the new decks will consist of. If you want to be competative, Main Deck These Cards Come The New Banlist.



Monster, 9 Cards
Sangan
Breaker
Tribe Infecting Virus
D.D. Warrior Lady
Magician of Faith X2
Tsukuyomi X1
Apprentice Magician X2


Sangan is a no brainer, Breaker for removal, Tribe for removal, DD For Removal, Magician of Faith, Tsukuyomi and Apprentice are all combo'd together for getting back Lightning Vortex, Pot of Greed, Black Hole, Heavy Storm, etc.


Magic, 13 Cards (We All Will Run These)
Pot of Greed
MST
Heavy Storm
Lightning Vortex
Confiscation
Dark Hole
Book of Moon
Premature Burial
Nobleman of Crossout 1-2
Snatch Steal
Scapegoat
Metamorphosis

Scapegoat is still good Stall. ANd we can still use Metamorphosis for Balter, Thousand Eye, etc. Dark Hole and Lightning Vortex Complement destruction that is needed (because it WILL Be used against you). Nobleman of Crossout X2 is mandatory for getting rid of Facedowns (but this can be replaced if you use Mystic Swordsman Level 2, or a few other facedown removal monsters, but it is generally good practice for removing Magician of Faith, Cyber Jar, Or Morphing Jar because we all will have them in our deck). Snatch Steal, Premature, Confiscation Required. Heavy Storm and MST are needed for removing Call of the Haunted, Premature Burial and Royal Decree. Pot of Greed, is pot of greed, required. All in all, Every Spell is required in the above list.



Traps, 5 Cards
Torrential Tribune
Call of the Haunted
Bottomless Trap Hole
Sakuesku Armor 1-3
Royal Decree 1-3


Mirror Force will be replaced by Sakuesku Armor X2. Some may try to use Needle Ceiling instead but there will not be enough monsters on the field to ever use it with Dark Hole, Bottomless, Torrential Tribune and Lightning Vortex's going off. Call of the Haunted is our chainable revival, and Torrential Tribune is our mass removal, to go along with Dark hole and Lightning Vortex... and Tribe infecting Virus. We will all run at minimum, 1 royal decree for dealing with Sakuesku, torrential and every so often the random gravity bind or awkward trap from someone who is trying to be original.

Here is your 28 Minimum Card Requirements for your deck.
9 Monsters
13 Magic
6 Trap


Don't worry, I have 70% of your Side Deck laid out too.

Side Deck Requirements, 11 Cards

Jinzo
Mobius
Airknight
Royal Decree's
Sakuesku
Swords of Revealing Light
Card Destruction
Cyber Jar
Morphing Jar
Dust Tornado X2


Here is your During Ban List Deck Template. You have Room for 1 Trap Card of your Choice, Though I wouldn't recommend it. You have room for about 2 to 4 Magic Cards, Two of those should be Smashing Ground. Luckly Now, you get to choose about 7 Monster of your Choice, to create your "theme"

So here is your deck you will play for the Next 6 Months. Tweakage of 1 to 3 cards are allowed, but anything beyond that and the deck no longer will be competative.
Most definatly not, I'll run 1 faith not 2, no Tsuku, no Apprentice, no Vortex, No Goat, No Morph, No Decree, No Sakuretsu, No Bottomless, but nice try =|...

[Envoy of Destruction]

Most definatly not, I'll run 1 faith not 2, no Tsuku, no Apprentice, no Vortex, No Goat, No Morph, No Decree, No Sakuretsu, No Bottomless, but nice try =|...

Mayber it`s because you don`t own thee cards? If so, what would have you do if you had them?

[ssj4hernan]

You have laid out some nice staples and such....IF YOU HAD A SOLDIER SOMEWHERE IN THE DECK. But now, there will be even less staples, because people will run different decks. Like OTK might see an increase in play now, especially since last turn doesn't have to worry about sinister beating them.

And even then, there are few real staples that all decks will see.

pot of greed
sangan (except in beastdown decks, something that'll see a lot of play)
confiscation
breaker
tribe
d.d. warrior lady
dark hole
mst
heavy storm
snatch
dark hole
premature
book of moon
nobleman of crossout 1-2
call of the haunted
torrential
bottomless trap hole 1-3 (works against beastdown, zombies)
dust tornados (smart players will have these)
enemy controller (this is a personal favourite of mine, it'll kill beast down and help take control of monsters, hurt in synnergy since no goats, but I can see it in many decks)

And that's about it I dont' know how many cards that is, but it's few and that's good, because then people will get CREATIVE with decks.

Side deck though, I think for the most part, if your not runing OTK you'll be running these cards

2 wobakus
2 elephant statue of disaster
2 neko mane kings
dust tornados (this plus main deck to add up to 3)

I didn't put tsuku since without goats to protect field presence, tsuku hurts that bit extra.

Anyway crazy post, thanx for reading and responding (hopefully)

[.:EveningPlague:.]

Why did you even think about thinking about making Apprentice Mage a staple =|

[Shadowhawk11]

Mayber it`s because you don`t own thee cards? If so, what would have you do if you had them?
I own 2 of All those cards... I just chose not to use them, Cause I see no need for them...

[Pemolis]

A bit pessimistic, don't you think?

I disagree. At first, this may be what decks look like; but then people will realize that without Soldier and with 2/3 of the Trinity banned, other decks will become as competitive (and probably more competitive) than this.


I am a bit pessimistic, but a realist at the same time.

We will see decks that are 90% carbon copies of the cards I listed here, Minus Magician of Faith.

And the only real complaint here is that people would play 1 instead of 2 MOF.

But the Spells, Dead On.

And The Traps.. Dead On.

The point is that over 50% of a person's Deck is already set in stone with both the present, and past banlists. (of course this is not counting the decks people make up out of their mind which is/is not overly consistent and competitive in this format).


So yea I'm a pessimist. I would like a list where less than 50% of a deck is not set in stone.

So yes come Complain about 2 cards on a 30 Card list, lets not address the other 28 which are set in stone :D

:mad:


I'll go though it one by one since.. well everybody wants to complain with no reasoning behind it.



Sangan
Breaker
Tribe Infecting Virus
D.D. Warrior Lady
Magician of Faith X2
Tsukuyomi X1
Apprentice Magician X2


Obviously Apprentice does not work unless you Run Mag of Faith, but if you do... its fairly obvious you should seriously consider Apprentice. But outside of apprentice/Mof. Tsuku is still powerful, D.D. is a general staple. Tribe Infecting Virus is a great field clearer even if you do not use Sinister Serpent. You get a monster on the field, and you clear out some enemies.
Breaker is obvious, so is Sangan (for the search).


So far we have 5. Tsukuyomi, D.D. Warrior Lady, Tribe, Breaker, Sangan.

(Mag and Apprentice are optional)



Pot of Greed
MST
Heavy Storm
Lightning Vortex
Confiscation
Dark Hole
Book of Moon
Premature Burial
Nobleman of Crossout 1-2
Snatch Steal
Scapegoat
Metamorphosis


Pot of Greed, MST, Heavy Storm, Dark Hole, Confiscation, SnatchSteal Premature Burial, SnatchSteal, Nobleman of Crossout, Book of Moon I won't comment on.

Lightning Vortex, Scapegoat and Metamorphosis I will.


Lightning Vortex is still a Mass Field Clearer. As long as 2 or more creatures are destroyed, your breaking even. This Card has been complained and debated on before.. and it still is used in most decks. Just because Dark Hole Came off the Ban List, doesn't mean we will Stop Running Lightning Vortex. We just got an Extra Field Clearer card to use.

Scapegoat is still one of the best stall cards around. Just because it is down to 1 doesn't mean we will not use it either. Scapegoat gives us 4 tokens/monster to play with that are multi-combo usable. Using this instead of Waboku is the smarter choice (cause it ain't a trap, You get 4 defense monsters, they can be used for costs for other cards).

Metamorphosis is still the best Fusion Card to use. Again because it is down to 1 doesn't mean it is useless. With using Magician of Faith, this card can be recycled over and over again, giving way not to goat abuse, but to Cyber Dragon Abuse, Thousad Eye Restrict, etc etc).


The Trap Cards... there still obvious.

Torrential Tribune
Call of the Haunted
Bottomless Trap Hole
Sakuesku Armor 1-3
Royal Decree 1-3


Torrential Kills Everything.
Call is obvious
Bottomless is Complete Removal from the game for a select card. Merely cause BLS is banned, doesn't mean we would not want to remove other monster completely from the game (like Vamp Lord, Horus, Phoenix, etc).

Sakuesku armor is a decent replacement for Mirror Force (it was when mirror force was banned).

Royal Decree is being used more and more and will continue to be used due to it's Jinzo effect.


So I might have goofed on Magician of Faith/Apprentice Magician, but I can guarantee the most competitive decks will still run them to repeatedly abuse Dark Hole, Metamorphosis, Scapegoat, Etc etc.


Complaints welcomed, but undefendable.

[Shadowhawk11]

How in any way are your Spells or Traps "Dead On"? they're not close...No Vortex, No Morph, No Bottomless, No Sakuretsu, No Decree...

[Majinyugi]

Making "Staples" for the Japanese list when they will obviously use much different cards is jut ignorant.
Our list will obviously be amazingly similar in foundation, but the template will not be.

Obv in Japan shrink/DDVD curbs the zombie/aggro threat much more than anything we currently have.
Tribe will obv lose power soon.
Apprentice is stupid.
Vortex isn't used in most decks, especially in the competitive metagame.
No one will win vs anyone good with your trap lineup.

It's as if you're trying to predict a crappy-control lineup, as obv Aggros, which will be huge won't run morph.

It's idiocy to call 27 cards 28, then in your post secondly proceeding THAT call it 30.
We want someone posting who can count, add and retain knowledge.

[Needle_Worm]

i've never liked vortex. i've always chose smashing ground over it. and now with dark hole back even less reason to run vortex.

with tsuku, magician, apprentice magician, sinister, night assailent practically going off every decklist. how can you say sangan will be an absolute staple?

[Geo72590]

I'd only use about 57% of those in my deck...

[gilrocious]

yeah, I posted something about duelist trends, though I did not comment on what cards they would use I did say that first there would be beatdown, then to stall(to stop beatdown), and finally control (made up of elements of stall while incorporating elements of beatdown).

Your list simply jumped the beatdown and stall stages and went right to the control.

What I asked myself (believing that all good cookie cuter decks wait for their trump card) what would the duelist after the ban list be waiting for?
As of now all I believe it to be dark hole and heavy storm. Once both are played special summon cyber dragon from the hand, special summon by removing a light and a dark(chaos sourceror), summon your marouding captain, special summon using captains affect and attack. It seems like a lot of cards and therefore not as common as tributing for jinzo and special summoning the soldier.

As for me I will be using 100 percent of what you said, except for my exodia builds.

[Needle_Worm]

you can't even summon cyber dragon after you play dark hole. so whatever damage you just calculated. -2100.

[Zerato]

I am a bit pessimistic, but a realist at the same time.

We will see decks that are 90% carbon copies of the cards I listed here, Minus Magician of Faith.

And the only real complaint here is that people would play 1 instead of 2 MOF.

But the Spells, Dead On.

And The Traps.. Dead On.

The point is that over 50% of a person's Deck is already set in stone with both the present, and past banlists. (of course this is not counting the decks people make up out of their mind which is/is not overly consistent and competitive in this format).


So yea I'm a pessimist. I would like a list where less than 50% of a deck is not set in stone.

So yes come Complain about 2 cards on a 30 Card list, lets not address the other 28 which are set in stone :D

:mad:


I'll go though it one by one since.. well everybody wants to complain with no reasoning behind it.



Sangan
Breaker
Tribe Infecting Virus
D.D. Warrior Lady
Magician of Faith X2
Tsukuyomi X1
Apprentice Magician X2


Obviously Apprentice does not work unless you Run Mag of Faith, but if you do... its fairly obvious you should seriously consider Apprentice. But outside of apprentice/Mof. Tsuku is still powerful, D.D. is a general staple. Tribe Infecting Virus is a great field clearer even if you do not use Sinister Serpent. You get a monster on the field, and you clear out some enemies.
Breaker is obvious, so is Sangan (for the search).


So far we have 5. Tsukuyomi, D.D. Warrior Lady, Tribe, Breaker, Sangan.

(Mag and Apprentice are optional)



Pot of Greed
MST
Heavy Storm
Lightning Vortex
Confiscation
Dark Hole
Book of Moon
Premature Burial
Nobleman of Crossout 1-2
Snatch Steal
Scapegoat
Metamorphosis


Pot of Greed, MST, Heavy Storm, Dark Hole, Confiscation, SnatchSteal Premature Burial, SnatchSteal, Nobleman of Crossout, Book of Moon I won't comment on.

Lightning Vortex, Scapegoat and Metamorphosis I will.


Lightning Vortex is still a Mass Field Clearer. As long as 2 or more creatures are destroyed, your breaking even. This Card has been complained and debated on before.. and it still is used in most decks. Just because Dark Hole Came off the Ban List, doesn't mean we will Stop Running Lightning Vortex. We just got an Extra Field Clearer card to use.

Scapegoat is still one of the best stall cards around. Just because it is down to 1 doesn't mean we will not use it either. Scapegoat gives us 4 tokens/monster to play with that are multi-combo usable. Using this instead of Waboku is the smarter choice (cause it ain't a trap, You get 4 defense monsters, they can be used for costs for other cards).

Metamorphosis is still the best Fusion Card to use. Again because it is down to 1 doesn't mean it is useless. With using Magician of Faith, this card can be recycled over and over again, giving way not to goat abuse, but to Cyber Dragon Abuse, Thousad Eye Restrict, etc etc).


The Trap Cards... there still obvious.

Torrential Tribune
Call of the Haunted
Bottomless Trap Hole
Sakuesku Armor 1-3
Royal Decree 1-3


Torrential Kills Everything.
Call is obvious
Bottomless is Complete Removal from the game for a select card. Merely cause BLS is banned, doesn't mean we would not want to remove other monster completely from the game (like Vamp Lord, Horus, Phoenix, etc).

Sakuesku armor is a decent replacement for Mirror Force (it was when mirror force was banned).

Royal Decree is being used more and more and will continue to be used due to it's Jinzo effect.


So I might have goofed on Magician of Faith/Apprentice Magician, but I can guarantee the most competitive decks will still run them to repeatedly abuse Dark Hole, Metamorphosis, Scapegoat, Etc etc.


Complaints welcomed, but undefendable.

You should stop. You have so many people making good points against you uet you are stubborn to believe that this will be the template? As if. Many decks have become tier one, and they don't use half of these cards. Fiend, Warrior, and Fire control come to mind.

[Aeto]

I don't appreciate someone laying out my Yu-Gi-Oh! deck list, thank you very much. To prove you wrong, I have actually, in fact, decided to NOT use most of the cards you suggested, because I don't need them. Feel free to read below to see why I disagree with your choices!

It is actually more than 28.

Everybody seems to want to figure out what cards will become the (new cookie). So I decided to help everybody and create about 65% of your new deck (to keep it easy for you).

Here is what 90% of the new decks will consist of. If you want to be competative, Main Deck These Cards Come The New Banlist.


Wow, that statement has n00b written all over it. Nobody will use the deck plan you laid out because you "think" it will become the new Cookie Cutter.



Monster, 9 Cards
Sangan
Breaker
Tribe Infecting Virus
D.D. Warrior Lady
Magician of Faith X2
Tsukuyomi X1
Apprentice Magician X2


Sangan is a no brainer, Breaker for removal, Tribe for removal, DD For Removal, Magician of Faith, Tsukuyomi and Apprentice are all combo'd together for getting back Lightning Vortex, Pot of Greed, Black Hole, Heavy Storm, etc.

HAHAHAHA! *dies from laughter* Oh, man are you funny and hilarious. Besides Sangan and Tribe, every deck can get along just fine without the rest. I don't even own a DDWL, XD, rofl, and I have a more competitive deck than 65% of Pojo. Magician of Faith may not even be used in 1, because without the Trinity, nobody has anything to abuse unless it's a theme-related card. Tsukuyomi is so far from a staple it's not even in the same zip code. Apprentice Magician just plain sucks, alright. Nobody's going to waste 2 monster slots for a useless top-deck and a dead draw most of the time.


Magic, 13 Cards (We All Will Run These)
Pot of Greed
MST
Heavy Storm
Lightning Vortex
Confiscation
Dark Hole
Book of Moon
Premature Burial
Nobleman of Crossout 1-2
Snatch Steal
Scapegoat
Metamorphosis

Scapegoat is still good Stall. ANd we can still use Metamorphosis for Balter, Thousand Eye, etc. Dark Hole and Lightning Vortex Complement destruction that is needed (because it WILL Be used against you). Nobleman of Crossout X2 is mandatory for getting rid of Facedowns (but this can be replaced if you use Mystic Swordsman Level 2, or a few other facedown removal monsters, but it is generally good practice for removing Magician of Faith, Cyber Jar, Or Morphing Jar because we all will have them in our deck). Snatch Steal, Premature, Confiscation Required. Heavy Storm and MST are needed for removing Call of the Haunted, Premature Burial and Royal Decree. Pot of Greed, is pot of greed, required. All in all, Every Spell is required in the above list.

Aside from Confi and Meta, I agree with you. Meta is nearly worthless now as a 1, and Confi may not find it's way into as many decks as DDuo did.


Traps, 5 Cards
Torrential Tribune
Call of the Haunted
Bottomless Trap Hole
Sakuesku Armor 1-3
Royal Decree 1-3

Dang, I need to be risen from life AGAIN. I have never, in the history of my dueling life, have used Sak Armor as much as you insist it's going to be used. Thank you, But Cylinder and Bottomless x3 cuts it for me. I think it will be Bottomless that sees the most play. And even if I do get a Royal Decree, I'm using it in 1 deck, and that's Horus. I'd rather set up my Trap line-up to counter threats, k?


Mirror Force will be replaced by Sakuesku Armor X2. Some may try to use Needle Ceiling instead but there will not be enough monsters on the field to ever use it with Dark Hole, Bottomless, Torrential Tribune and Lightning Vortex's going off. Call of the Haunted is our chainable revival, and Torrential Tribune is our mass removal, to go along with Dark hole and Lightning Vortex... and Tribe infecting Virus. We will all run at minimum, 1 royal decree for dealing with Sakuesku, torrential and every so often the random gravity bind or awkward trap from someone who is trying to be original.

Your entire statement on Mirror Force is wrong. Dark Hole single-handidly replaces Mirror Force, mkay? Only those obsessed with Card Advantage will use 2x Sakuretsu Armor, I see Bottomless as the most played Trap. Call and Torrential I agree with. I ain't running Decree. It's a dead draw, and nearly kills your own protection (trust me, I've tested it before in various decks) And if someone is brave enough to use Gravity Bind in today's critical environment, I compliment them for it.


Here is your 28 Minimum Card Requirements for your deck.
9 Monsters
13 Magic
6 Trap


More like 2, 11 and 4.


Don't worry, I have 70% of your Side Deck laid out too.

Side Deck Requirements, 11 Cards

Jinzo
Mobius
Airknight
Royal Decree's
Sakuesku
Swords of Revealing Light
Card Destruction
Cyber Jar
Morphing Jar
Dust Tornado X2

Once again, I feel like you're laying out my deck plan. That Side deck is not very good at all. Mobius?! If you're so high on Royal Decree, there's no use for Mobius. Airknight?! Without Goats, Airknight should be kept to Draw decks and Fairy decks, IMO. Swords of Revealing Light?! Any fool who doesn't main deck immediately gets my pity. Card Destruction and Morphing Jar won't even touch my side-deck, because I have no need for them in my average deck. Cyber Jar will be main-decked for me 90% of the time, thank you.


Here is your During Ban List Deck Template. You have Room for 1 Trap Card of your Choice, Though I wouldn't recommend it. You have room for about 2 to 4 Magic Cards, Two of those should be Smashing Ground. Luckly Now, you get to choose about 7 Monster of your Choice, to create your "theme"

Wow, that's BS if I've ever seen it. People have free will. Nobody is going to listen to you besides you, I hope you know that.


So here is your deck you will play for the Next 6 Months. Tweakage of 1 to 3 cards are allowed, but anything beyond that and the deck no longer will be competative.
Once again, I choose not to listen to you. Go ahead and try to beat my deck I already have planned out. Nobody needs your help.

Thank you and have a nice day.

[Valor2k]

Monster, 9 Cards
Sangan
Breaker
Tribe Infecting Virus
D.D. Warrior Lady
Magician of Faith X2
Tsukuyomi X1
Apprentice Magician X2


Okay this is just me, but yes sangan stays in my deck list, but thats because I run almost all lil midgits. DDWarrior Lady I ended up discarding her with graceful every time I had her in my hand with graceful and as far as her effect, nice but er.. no. I'll run the faiths in 2, but apprentice nope nope nope. I'll settle for my nimbles

Magic, 13 Cards (We All Will Run These)
Pot of Greed
MST
Heavy Storm
Lightning Vortex
Confiscation
Dark Hole
Book of Moon
Premature Burial
Nobleman of Crossout 1-2
Snatch Steal
Scapegoat
Metamorphosis
I don't run Vortex Now, I definately won't then, Confiscation costs way too much. Thats why its unbanned its the most costly of the prenegs. I'll go with the others because of my variety of morph targets, not just TER.


Traps, 5 Cards
Torrential Tribune
Call of the Haunted
Bottomless Trap Hole
Sakuesku Armor 1-3
Royal Decree 1-3


Um, Bottomless and sakaretsu side decked, Torrential, and call, yup definately in there, Decree x2 only because I run horus as my big boy. So um... yeah I don't think so on most of the cards so far.

Side Deck Requirements, 11 Cards

Jinzo
Mobius
Airknight
Royal Decree's
Sakuesku
Swords of Revealing Light
Card Destruction
Cyber Jar
Morphing Jar
Dust Tornado X2


Me personaly, swords, card, cyber, morphing main decked. I'll stick Jinzo the sakaretsus in here and the bottomless like I said before. Dust Tornados.. um sure why not. Why are you side decking my main deck :(

Anyway Its a nice list, but like most have said it looks like someone trying to bring back the good old days. Which aren't my days right now anyway. But your trying to run a goat/morph deck when the heart of it was ripped out already. Airknight may see some decks, but because of the lack of goats, he may actually just fall back into the shadows. He was main decked by most not really for his drawing power as much as his being able to rip apart goats and face down TER. His power won't be exploited as much in the new list in my opinion. Its a nice list, but I think this new list will give a burst of creativity up until the next Shonen where people will start net decking one of the top 8 lists that looks easiest to run. :mad:

[Lord Fury]

Wow. That template was... silly, to say the least. Honestly, I won't be running TIV or Lightning Vortex once the new banlist comes around, simply because I've come up with a theory. The new format will focus on HAND DISRUPTION. With multiple Delinquent Duos gone, I definitely think that cards such as Spirit Reaper, Don Zaloog, Trap Dustshoot, Mind Crush, D.D. Designator, and even Robbin' Goblin will see much more play than in the previous format. Anyways, that's just my opinion, only time will show me if I'm correct or not. Back on topic, while the template obviously has a few flaws, I have not fully agreed with anyone who has posted any other template. Therefore, I am extremely happy. Do you know why? The "template" in this banlist is EXTREMELY small, and is limited to simply Pot of Greed, Dark Hole, and MAYBE Confiscation. For once, we have a banlist that works! Hello diversity. :D

[YMTG]

It is actually more than 28.

Everybody seems to want to figure out what cards will become the (new cookie). So I decided to help everybody and create about 65% of your new deck (to keep it easy for you).

Here is what 90% of the new decks will consist of. If you want to be competative, Main Deck These Cards Come The New Banlist.



Monster, 9 Cards
Sangan
Breaker
Tribe Infecting Virus
D.D. Warrior Lady
Magician of Faith X2
Tsukuyomi X1
Apprentice Magician X2


Sangan is a no brainer, Breaker for removal, Tribe for removal, DD For Removal, Magician of Faith, Tsukuyomi and Apprentice are all combo'd together for getting back Lightning Vortex, Pot of Greed, Black Hole, Heavy Storm, etc.


Magic, 13 Cards (We All Will Run These)
Pot of Greed
MST
Heavy Storm
Lightning Vortex
Confiscation
Dark Hole
Book of Moon
Premature Burial
Nobleman of Crossout 1-2
Snatch Steal
Scapegoat
Metamorphosis

Scapegoat is still good Stall. ANd we can still use Metamorphosis for Balter, Thousand Eye, etc. Dark Hole and Lightning Vortex Complement destruction that is needed (because it WILL Be used against you). Nobleman of Crossout X2 is mandatory for getting rid of Facedowns (but this can be replaced if you use Mystic Swordsman Level 2, or a few other facedown removal monsters, but it is generally good practice for removing Magician of Faith, Cyber Jar, Or Morphing Jar because we all will have them in our deck). Snatch Steal, Premature, Confiscation Required. Heavy Storm and MST are needed for removing Call of the Haunted, Premature Burial and Royal Decree. Pot of Greed, is pot of greed, required. All in all, Every Spell is required in the above list.



Traps, 5 Cards
Torrential Tribune
Call of the Haunted
Bottomless Trap Hole
Sakuesku Armor 1-3
Royal Decree 1-3


Mirror Force will be replaced by Sakuesku Armor X2. Some may try to use Needle Ceiling instead but there will not be enough monsters on the field to ever use it with Dark Hole, Bottomless, Torrential Tribune and Lightning Vortex's going off. Call of the Haunted is our chainable revival, and Torrential Tribune is our mass removal, to go along with Dark hole and Lightning Vortex... and Tribe infecting Virus. We will all run at minimum, 1 royal decree for dealing with Sakuesku, torrential and every so often the random gravity bind or awkward trap from someone who is trying to be original.

Here is your 28 Minimum Card Requirements for your deck.
9 Monsters
13 Magic
6 Trap


Don't worry, I have 70% of your Side Deck laid out too.

Side Deck Requirements, 11 Cards

Jinzo
Mobius
Airknight
Royal Decree's
Sakuesku
Swords of Revealing Light
Card Destruction
Cyber Jar
Morphing Jar
Dust Tornado X2


Here is your During Ban List Deck Template. You have Room for 1 Trap Card of your Choice, Though I wouldn't recommend it. You have room for about 2 to 4 Magic Cards, Two of those should be Smashing Ground. Luckly Now, you get to choose about 7 Monster of your Choice, to create your "theme"

So here is your deck you will play for the Next 6 Months. Tweakage of 1 to 3 cards are allowed, but anything beyond that and the deck no longer will be competative.





See, this is exactly why we needed a ban list in the first place. People like this guy who's knowledge of deck building and good cards goes as far as what is posted on Metagame's event coverage. Narrow minds and people who can't think of anything original is the reason all the top 8 decks looked so identical. Think outside the box. Don't try to set a standard of crap that will appear in everyone's decks. Don't try to sway people by saying you can't be competitive without those cards because that is complete and total bull. You don't need to run all of those cards to be competive in the new format nor do you need all cards everyone runs in the current one to be competive. But because people are under the impression that only a certain deck can win, netdeckers pop up until you see all decks identical except 1-4 cards may be different. This new list is meant to help you go away from bland and repetitive. To not make a deck to blend in. Do something original. Thank goodness most of the people here don't think like you. Cuz if they did, we'd all be still bored out of our minds in Traditional format playing in a cycle of blandness until the game died. I hope you get a clue before you post again and make a deck that doesn't look completely like this under the new list.

[MachineMaster9613]

I won't run Vortex; I hate it now, even while Sinister and 2 Night Assailants exist.

I won't run Apprentice Magician; they're OK, but I'm gonna run 3 Magician of Faith anyway, so I see no point.

I'm still thinking about whether or not to run Tribe if Sinister goes... I'm going to run the 1 Night Assailant, so it might work.

I run Royal Decree in my Side Deck (I will run 2 when I get another one), and it will most likely stay there.

[Vagabond Aeon]

What are you hoping to acomplish by laying out this template?

Honestly, is it that hard to mix it up every once in a while and use something out of the ordinary, or do you enjoy using nothing but cookie-cutters all the time?

[Kris Planer]

i play for fun, not to netdeck. this template thing is completly useless to me, although its sad to say is is a little bit accurate.

[Pemolis]

What are you hoping to acomplish by laying out this template?

Honestly, is it that hard to mix it up every once in a while and use something out of the ordinary, or do you enjoy using nothing but cookie-cutters all the time?


I am addressing an actual problem in this game. My preference has nothing to do with this list. Yet we (most of us who are not in denial) can say that we Know what we will play already, and all it consists of is swapping around about 5 or so cards that got banned/restricted from our deck with the cards they unbanned/unrestricted.

THe meta may change, but the decks are still the same.

[Mystic Gohan]

Though some of the cards you listed won't see as much play as you think, you are right that the basic setup of most decks is already predetermined.

[topspin1617]

Most people won't just swirch around a few cards. Most people play CCGCC, which is completely destroyed, with BLS gone, and Scapegoat, Meta, TER, and Tsukuyomi down to 1. Just switching a few cards would lead to a weak deck.

There will be a quite a few competitive decks, like Warrior, Zombie, Water, Mill, OTK, and a lot of things + Phoenix, and I think they are fairly even.

[BlackLusterMagician]

OMFG Goat/Morph is GONE! get over it, no one will run morph.....Tsukuyomi is dead and so is Vortex.

[Mystic Gohan]

Actually Tsuku lock/Tsuku Draw seal is dead. It is still very useful for tech material.

[Negative Manticore]

rather than point out the flaws with the main deck "requirements", I thought I'd mention that the side deck stuff you provided is mostly unnecessary or will be put into the main deck.

[Aeto]

Most people won't just swirch around a few cards. Most people play CCGCC, which is completely destroyed, with BLS gone, and Scapegoat, Meta, TER, and Tsukuyomi down to 1. Just switching a few cards would lead to a weak deck.

There will be a quite a few competitive decks, like Warrior, Zombie, Water, Mill, OTK, and a lot of things + Phoenix, and I think they are fairly even.

I agree with this guy. My Zombie Morph was completely destroyed by this banlist, and I can't fix that by swapping "5 or so cards" as you mentioned. I had to come up with an entirely new decktype.

Your last point, Pemolis, made no sense, because without a change of decks, there is no change of meta. Can someone get him a YGO Dictionary and show him the meaning of metagame? With the major deck changes we're gonna experience, the entire metagame will shift.

As for your theory, Lord Fury, I don't really agree with that. Hand Disruption was destroyed by DDuo being gone and now MoF can't retrieve it. Don is just too weak to be used outside of Warrior/Pure Handlock decks, and Reaper is good for stall, and most of the time will not get an attack because it is so weak. Robbin Goblin and Trap Dustshoots are worthless in late game and horrible top-decks. My theory is that Monster Advantage will be critical, so Tribe and Vortex will still be extremely important, because with Force and Ring gone, there's nothing to keep your opponent gaining an immense advantage on you without Tribe, etc.

[Warahyuu]

I am addressing an actual problem in this game. My preference has nothing to do with this list. Yet we (most of us who are not in denial) can say that we Know what we will play already, and all it consists of is swapping around about 5 or so cards that got banned/restricted from our deck with the cards they unbanned/unrestricted.

THe meta may change, but the decks are still the same.

How can you say the decks will remain the same? Goat Control and Chaos were on top. Do you honestly believe Goat Control will still dominate when Metamorphosis and Scapegoat are restricted? Not only that, Thousand-Eyes Restrict itself is restricted.

Chaos is dead. BLS is gone. If you think Chaos Sorcerer will allow Chaos to dominate like it once did, you are completely wrong. Maybe people will try to keep chaos alive with Chaos Sorcerer. But once they realize that it sucks compared to BLS, they will ditch it.

I don't see why there must be 1 cookie cutter decks at all times. With this list, we may see variety in SJC lists, which is something we haven't seen for a long time.

[Red-Eyes D.D.]

A good card though it is, no one will ever consider Book of Moon a staple. If Enemy Controller, a card with a similar effect + another great effect isn't a staple why would this be?

[animefanzmg]

i dont agree with you

mof isnt needed that much and 2 certainly wont be a staple

and apprentice definatly wont be a staple

and bth sak and decree are all optional cards that that wil depend on the user's preferences

and meta is no longer cookie cutter

[Jinzo The Darkone]

wow you are a complete noob. a lot of the stuff you mentioned are not staples whatsoever.

*magician of faith won't be abused much since there aren't nearly as many good spells to get back. it's not like before when you had triple goat/morph/other 2 trinity cards to abuse.

*and since mof lost considerable power and nobody will play multiples unless they're stupid, then also nobody will bother playing apprentice magicians. how stupid are you anyway? even in our current banlist with morph and the trinity running rampant, nobody plays apprentice magicians. so why would anyone run them after mof loses so much playability??

*metamorphosis is next to pointless to even play since itself, goat, and TER are restricted to 1. nobody will bother.

*and since nobody will bother with morph and there's no trinity to abuse, tsukuyomi is garbage. nobody will play that either.

*with sinister banned and dark hole unbanned, very few people will play lightning vortex. it isn't that great even in our current format and in october it gets even worse.

*how can you even consider bottomless, sakuretsu, and decree staples? they're good but not in EVERY deck. and why would you run decree along with unchainable traps? that's pretty ******ed. you would screw yourself over more than you would your opponent.

*that sidedeck template is the most horrible i've ever seen. i can't even begin to tell you how many of those cards don't need to be there.

why don't you do everyone a favor and not give any more advice about ygo because you suck at it. okay? kthx.

Agreed thank you.Yep people can be suck complete noobs :mad: .

[Zalde]

Yeah, this template fits my water deck to a T.

[Black-Canary]

It is actually more than 28.

Everybody seems to want to figure out what cards will become the (new cookie). So I decided to help everybody and create about 65% of your new deck (to keep it easy for you).

Here is what 90% of the new decks will consist of. If you want to be competative, Main Deck These Cards Come The New Banlist.



Monster, 9 Cards
Sangan
Breaker
Tribe Infecting Virus
D.D. Warrior Lady
Magician of Faith X2 <Maybe 0-2
Tsukuyomi X1 < Maybe 0-1


Sangan is a no brainer, Breaker for removal, Tribe for removal, DD For Removal, Magician of Faith, Tsukuyomi and Apprentice are all combo'd together for getting back Lightning Vortex, Pot of Greed, Black Hole, Heavy Storm, etc.


Magic, 13 Cards (We All Will Run These)
Pot of Greed
MST
Heavy Storm
Lightning Vortex
Confiscation <-- Maybe, it is a chosen 1:1 so its iffy
Dark Hole
Book of Moon <-- Maybe
Premature Burial
Nobleman of Crossout 1-2
Snatch Steal
Scapegoat
Metamorphosis <-- MMMM, maybe

Scapegoat is still good Stall. ANd we can still use Metamorphosis for Balter, Thousand Eye, etc. Dark Hole and Lightning Vortex Complement destruction that is needed (because it WILL Be used against you). Nobleman of Crossout X2 is mandatory for getting rid of Facedowns (but this can be replaced if you use Mystic Swordsman Level 2, or a few other facedown removal monsters, but it is generally good practice for removing Magician of Faith, Cyber Jar, Or Morphing Jar because we all will have them in our deck). Snatch Steal, Premature, Confiscation Required. Heavy Storm and MST are needed for removing Call of the Haunted, Premature Burial and Royal Decree. Pot of Greed, is pot of greed, required. All in all, Every Spell is required in the above list.



Traps, 5 Cards
Torrential Tribune
Call of the Haunted
Bottomless Trap Hole
Sakuesku Armor 1-3
Royal Decree 1-3


Mirror Force will be replaced by Sakuesku Armor X2. Some may try to use Needle Ceiling instead but there will not be enough monsters on the field to ever use it with Dark Hole, Bottomless, Torrential Tribune and Lightning Vortex's going off. Call of the Haunted is our chainable revival, and Torrential Tribune is our mass removal, to go along with Dark hole and Lightning Vortex... and Tribe infecting Virus. We will all run at minimum, 1 royal decree for dealing with Sakuesku, torrential and every so often the random gravity bind or awkward trap from someone who is trying to be original.

Here is your 28 Minimum Card Requirements for your deck.
9 Monsters
13 Magic
6 Trap


Don't worry, I have 70% of your Side Deck laid out too.

Side Deck Requirements, 11 Cards

Jinzo
Mobius
Airknight
Royal Decree's
Sakuesku
Swords of Revealing Light
Card Destruction
Cyber Jar
Morphing Jar
Dust Tornado X2


Here is your During Ban List Deck Template. You have Room for 1 Trap Card of your Choice, Though I wouldn't recommend it. You have room for about 2 to 4 Magic Cards, Two of those should be Smashing Ground. Luckly Now, you get to choose about 7 Monster of your Choice, to create your "theme"

So here is your deck you will play for the Next 6 Months. Tweakage of 1 to 3 cards are allowed, but anything beyond that and the deck no longer will be competative.


I believe that you list is pretty close except that these might not appear in ALL decks

Tsuku <-- Not really sure
MoF <-- Maybe 0-2
Confiscation <-- A 1000 LP 1:1 is iffy
Goat <-- A 4:1 is always nice, but might not always be necessary
BoM <-- Maybe maybe not
Decree <-- Why run very many traps?
Sak <-- Its good but not everyone will run them

Other than that, it is still pretty sad that what he is saying will most likely be true. Anyone who says that they don't/wont use most of these cards in their highly competetive deck, who have them of course, is lying to themselves. Even my deck has a majority of these cards because they are that good. Its sad just how many cards can be slammed into any deck.

Just because GC/Chaos are crippled doesn't mean the the same skeleton structure wont exist for almost all decks.

Answer me,

What decks aren't these cards good in?

Breaker
Morphing
Sangan
DDWL
DDA
MoF
Tribe
Heavy Storm- Even if you play GK/Water, these are still good if you've testplayed a lot
Snatch Steal
Noxout
MST
PoG
DH
TT
Call
BTH
SAK

[Darth Payne]

This list sucks.

[Marc]

This is why we should have a post filter. This is utter rubbish. =/

Most of these cards are useless.

Tsu - Tech at the most. Otherwise rubbish.

Vortex - Umm NO? Lets see... -2 Advantage immediately.. and most of the time it's used to destroy 2 monsters. =/ With Dark Hole this utterly useless especially with Serpent banned.

Book - Hmm... restriction to 1 makes this card useless and with TER and Trinity gone. =/

Meta - I guess people can't live without their TER that is restricted to 1. V_V

Bottomless - Doubt it. =/

Saku - Maybe. But I don't see much use.

Decree - No. Not many traps to stop nowadays.

As for the sidedeck - Lets just say scrap the entire thing and make a new one. =/

[tt4649t2006rs]

The new format will focus on HAND DISRUPTION. With multiple Delinquent Duos gone, I definitely think that cards such as Spirit Reaper, Don Zaloog, Trap Dustshoot, Mind Crush, D.D. Designator, and even Robbin' Goblin will see much more play than in the previous format.

i agree with this guy

[barell dragon]

all decks will run these 28 cards.....who are u telling us what to deck? ( was too lazy to quote)

[GodofGame]

Oh Shut UP all of you. You all are jumping on a guy for making a below average card list?

Mods please close this.

[StealthoftheWest]

Magician of Faith's main power is to recycle the trinity which no longer exists. Using Magician of Faith now won't help as much as it did before.



Yeah, because the cards within the Trinity are the only cards that were compatible with Magician of Faith. It's amazing how short-sighted post-Chaos users still are.

[Warahyuu]

Yeah, because the cards within the Trinity are the only cards that were compatible with Magician of Faith. It's amazing how short-sighted post-Chaos users still are.

First of all, I rarely play chaos. Next, did magician of faith see play before the trinity was brought back? No. I did not say anywhere that Magician of Faith was useless. I was pointing out that now that the trinity is gone, it won't be a staple in many decks like the thread starter was suggesting -_-

[MetallicPyreal]

It is actually more than 28.

Everybody seems to want to figure out what cards will become the (new cookie). So I decided to help everybody and create about 65% of your new deck (to keep it easy for you).

Here is what 90% of the new decks will consist of. If you want to be competative, Main Deck These Cards Come The New Banlist.



Monster, 9 Cards
Sangan
Breaker
Tribe Infecting Virus
D.D. Warrior Lady
Magician of Faith X2
Tsukuyomi X1
Apprentice Magician X2


Sangan is a no brainer, Breaker for removal, Tribe for removal, DD For Removal, Magician of Faith, Tsukuyomi and Apprentice are all combo'd together for getting back Lightning Vortex, Pot of Greed, Black Hole, Heavy Storm, etc.


Magic, 13 Cards (We All Will Run These)
Pot of Greed
MST
Heavy Storm
Lightning Vortex
Confiscation
Dark Hole
Book of Moon
Premature Burial
Nobleman of Crossout 1-2
Snatch Steal
Scapegoat
Metamorphosis

Scapegoat is still good Stall. ANd we can still use Metamorphosis for Balter, Thousand Eye, etc. Dark Hole and Lightning Vortex Complement destruction that is needed (because it WILL Be used against you). Nobleman of Crossout X2 is mandatory for getting rid of Facedowns (but this can be replaced if you use Mystic Swordsman Level 2, or a few other facedown removal monsters, but it is generally good practice for removing Magician of Faith, Cyber Jar, Or Morphing Jar because we all will have them in our deck). Snatch Steal, Premature, Confiscation Required. Heavy Storm and MST are needed for removing Call of the Haunted, Premature Burial and Royal Decree. Pot of Greed, is pot of greed, required. All in all, Every Spell is required in the above list.



Traps, 5 Cards
Torrential Tribune
Call of the Haunted
Bottomless Trap Hole
Sakuesku Armor 1-3
Royal Decree 1-3


Mirror Force will be replaced by Sakuesku Armor X2. Some may try to use Needle Ceiling instead but there will not be enough monsters on the field to ever use it with Dark Hole, Bottomless, Torrential Tribune and Lightning Vortex's going off. Call of the Haunted is our chainable revival, and Torrential Tribune is our mass removal, to go along with Dark hole and Lightning Vortex... and Tribe infecting Virus. We will all run at minimum, 1 royal decree for dealing with Sakuesku, torrential and every so often the random gravity bind or awkward trap from someone who is trying to be original.

Here is your 28 Minimum Card Requirements for your deck.
9 Monsters
13 Magic
6 Trap


Don't worry, I have 70% of your Side Deck laid out too.

Side Deck Requirements, 11 Cards

Jinzo
Mobius
Airknight
Royal Decree's
Sakuesku
Swords of Revealing Light
Card Destruction
Cyber Jar
Morphing Jar
Dust Tornado X2


Here is your During Ban List Deck Template. You have Room for 1 Trap Card of your Choice, Though I wouldn't recommend it. You have room for about 2 to 4 Magic Cards, Two of those should be Smashing Ground. Luckly Now, you get to choose about 7 Monster of your Choice, to create your "theme"

So here is your deck you will play for the Next 6 Months. Tweakage of 1 to 3 cards are allowed, but anything beyond that and the deck no longer will be competative.

Ha, WTF is this? Maybe I'd follow this if I wanted to be a mindless CC player like a lot of people here.

Those last two paragraphs really, REALLY piss me off. You can't tell people what to run. Now go away.

[Hazen]

you must think i'm crazy then, i'll only be running about 12 of those. counting my side deck. hopefully i'll met you at a tourny and beat your CC crud.

[Pianka]

Decrre and Airknights/ a nicely timed balter will ruled the format.

And searchers will be key in the format.

I predict that Magical Merchant wil be a staple.

[Warahyuu]

O_O I just read those last 2 paragraphs. That really pissed me off. You can't tell people what to run. It just shows that you are a mindless cookie cutter player who thinks there is some law that all decks must be the same -_- Anyone who listens to this should not play Yu-Gi-Oh

[Aeto]

Oh Shut UP all of you. You all are jumping on a guy for making a below average card list?

Mods please close this.

We're not insulting his card list, nor are we mad about it. Most people probably would've ignored if he hadn't made it out to be like he was telling us what to run and laying out our deck formats. People don't like to be told what to do. If half of us don't listen to those with actual authority over us, why should we listen to some n00b on Pojo that thinks this will be CC?

[JAY BEE]

leik, the only cards you will see in most decks will be

1. breaker
2. pot
3. dark hole

and that's it. those are the big 3. nothing else is broken enough with the new format to put in EVERY tier-1 deck.

what's funny is that EVEN the most CCCCCCCCCCC deck in the new format will most likely NOT use apprentice, morph, vortex, tsukuyomi, decree, book of moon, etc. there's no reason for any of those cards to be heavily played whatsoever, since the cards that comboed with them and made them good are all banned.

*no abuse with mof to get back trinity or to stop TER means book of moon is not so playable

*no broken traps to negate means royal decree is not so playable

*do i really need to continue?

this thread starter has no clue of what he's talking about. not only is he telling everyone what to do, but he's completely wrong about what will be CC. it won't be that hunk of crap he calls a "template," that's for sure. i bet he'll go and make his new deck with that list and he'll fail miserably with it at his regionals, then netdeck someone who top8s who used almost none of those cards.

[Pemolis]

i bet he'll go and make his new deck with that list and he'll fail miserably with it at his regionals, then netdeck someone who top8s who used almost none of those cards.


In the past.. oh 2 years.. the makeup of decks have not changed Plus minus about 6 cards.

IF you want to prove me wrong.. pull the past deck lists and compare what was played between them. Guarantee about 50% of the cards were identical in every deck, and about 40% of those cards haven't changed in the past year or two.

Common Use Cards are predictable in every deck.

[Taekmkm]

monsters ( 17 ) :
magician of faith x2
asura priest
blade knight
bls- eotb
sangan
apprentice magician
hand of nephthys
sacred phoenix god of nephthys
tsukuyomi
dd warrior lady
sinister serpent
jinzo
kycoo the ghost destroyer
breaker the magical warrior
morphing jar
tribe infecting virus

spells ( 18 ):
pot of greed
heavy storm
graceful charity
metamorphosis x2
enemy controller
scapegoat x2
nobleman of crossout x2
brain control
snatch steal
mystical space typhoon
delinquent duo
book of moon x2
premature burial
swords of revealing light

traps ( 6 ) :
torrential tribute
bottomless traphole
royal decree
mirror force
ring of destruction
call of the haunted

5 Monsters
1 Morphing Jar
1 Sangan
2 Mystic Tomato
1 Cyber Jar

33 Spells
3 The Shallow Grave
2 Upstart Goblin
2 Giant Trunade
1 Pot of Greed
2 Level Limit - Area B
3 Dragged Down Into The Grave
3 Book of Moon
3 Spell Reproduction
3 Book of Taiyou
3 Reload
1 Premature Burial
1 Graceful Charity
1 Swords of Revealing Light
1 Serial Spell
1 Heavy Storm
1 Card Destruction
2 A Feather of the Phoenix

2 Traps
2 Rock Bombardmen
(credit to Dorkus of Deckrevolution.com)

OMG wow they're SO much the same =/ And this is worlds, can't get much bigger than that.

[JAY BEE]

lawl.

pemolis is sooo owned.

[gaored]

It is actually more than 28.

Everybody seems to want to figure out what cards will become the (new cookie). So I decided to help everybody and create about 65% of your new deck (to keep it easy for you).

Here is what 90% of the new decks will consist of. If you want to be competative, Main Deck These Cards Come The New Banlist.



Monster, 9 Cards
Sangan
Breaker
Tribe Infecting Virus
D.D. Warrior Lady
Magician of Faith X2
Tsukuyomi X1
Apprentice Magician X2


Sangan is a no brainer, Breaker for removal, Tribe for removal, DD For Removal, Magician of Faith, Tsukuyomi and Apprentice are all combo'd together for getting back Lightning Vortex, Pot of Greed, Black Hole, Heavy Storm, etc.


Magic, 13 Cards (We All Will Run These)
Pot of Greed
MST
Heavy Storm
Lightning Vortex
Confiscation
Dark Hole
Book of Moon
Premature Burial
Nobleman of Crossout 1-2
Snatch Steal
Scapegoat
Metamorphosis

Scapegoat is still good Stall. ANd we can still use Metamorphosis for Balter, Thousand Eye, etc. Dark Hole and Lightning Vortex Complement destruction that is needed (because it WILL Be used against you). Nobleman of Crossout X2 is mandatory for getting rid of Facedowns (but this can be replaced if you use Mystic Swordsman Level 2, or a few other facedown removal monsters, but it is generally good practice for removing Magician of Faith, Cyber Jar, Or Morphing Jar because we all will have them in our deck). Snatch Steal, Premature, Confiscation Required. Heavy Storm and MST are needed for removing Call of the Haunted, Premature Burial and Royal Decree. Pot of Greed, is pot of greed, required. All in all, Every Spell is required in the above list.



Traps, 5 Cards
Torrential Tribune
Call of the Haunted
Bottomless Trap Hole
Sakuesku Armor 1-3
Royal Decree 1-3


Mirror Force will be replaced by Sakuesku Armor X2. Some may try to use Needle Ceiling instead but there will not be enough monsters on the field to ever use it with Dark Hole, Bottomless, Torrential Tribune and Lightning Vortex's going off. Call of the Haunted is our chainable revival, and Torrential Tribune is our mass removal, to go along with Dark hole and Lightning Vortex... and Tribe infecting Virus. We will all run at minimum, 1 royal decree for dealing with Sakuesku, torrential and every so often the random gravity bind or awkward trap from someone who is trying to be original.

Here is your 28 Minimum Card Requirements for your deck.
9 Monsters
13 Magic
6 Trap


Don't worry, I have 70% of your Side Deck laid out too.

Side Deck Requirements, 11 Cards

Jinzo
Mobius
Airknight
Royal Decree's
Sakuesku
Swords of Revealing Light
Card Destruction
Cyber Jar
Morphing Jar
Dust Tornado X2


Here is your During Ban List Deck Template. You have Room for 1 Trap Card of your Choice, Though I wouldn't recommend it. You have room for about 2 to 4 Magic Cards, Two of those should be Smashing Ground. Luckly Now, you get to choose about 7 Monster of your Choice, to create your "theme"

So here is your deck you will play for the Next 6 Months. Tweakage of 1 to 3 cards are allowed, but anything beyond that and the deck no longer will be competative.

Beleive it or not, combined with Chaos Sorcerer, this deck will be the new cookie cutter.

[Marc]

Beleive it or not, combined with Chaos Sorcerer, this deck will be the new cookie cutter.

Everything Else > Chaos Sorceror.

Sorceror sucks beyond belief.

The new cookie cutter will be three deck types. Warrior Swarm, Zombie (Possibly), and Aggro. =/

[StealthoftheWest]

leik, the only cards you will see in most decks will be

1. breaker
2. pot
3. dark hole

and that's it. those are the big 3. nothing else is broken enough with the new format to put in EVERY tier-1 deck.



I wouldn't even say Breaker should be on that list.

[Mystic Gohan]

Or Dark hole for that matter. *waits for someone to try and bash me*

[Taekmkm]

Dark hole is possible. I can see really dedicated Mill decks or other types that don't use Dark Hole.

Once again, pot of greed is always will be a staple.

[Ant Lion]

In the past.. oh 2 years.. the makeup of decks have not changed Plus minus about 6 cards.

IF you want to prove me wrong.. pull the past deck lists and compare what was played between them. Guarantee about 50% of the cards were identical in every deck, and about 40% of those cards haven't changed in the past year or two.

Common Use Cards are predictable in every deck.
There will be a template eventually because that's how it has always worked with the ban list. Temporary originality. However, it won't be the exact same template as before this list. Especially with the new bans slaughtering Goat Control and Chaos.

My prediction of cards that will see common play (not every deck, but commonly seen):
Breaker
Sangan
DDWL
Tribe
Magician of Faith

Pot of Greed
Dark Hole (assuming it doesn't get banned for the UDE list)
Heavy Storm
Premature Burial?

Call of the Haunted?
Torrential Tribute

[jaws_is_ra]

Sangan
Magician of Faith X2

Pot of Greed
Book of Moon till retricted i wil use 3
Premature Burial


Torrential Tribune
Call of the Haunted


out of hte cards
you list thta is all i use in my exodia deck the rest i do not like so i do nto use them i use cards that work for me not the cards every one else is useing i do nto play that way i play with a swck i made i use soem ideas from others but not many

[MorphingJar21]

all i have to say for this list is..wow

[Rizzo]

Excuse me, I've already got a couple of deck-lists for Warrior decks that find Sangan to be searcher-overkill. Why would I use him?

[rare hunter 666]

How do you know this? People like you make this game boring, since you think there must always be a CC.

[StealthoftheWest]

The best thing about this format is that puts most mainstream decks on one level, meaning that there probably will not be a CC deck for a long time.

Hopefully.

[tmanf]

Cards that you must use "if you want to be competitive" are staples. The following cards are nowhere near that status:

Apprentice Magician (just not necessary in some decks)
Metamorphosis (with Scapegoat and Magician of Faiths? I don't think so)
Bottomless Trap Hole (very good, but not really a must-play; can be side-decked)
Sakurestu Armor (not the most useful of cards. Why run this when you have Royal Decree, as you suggested?)
Royal Decree (what if you like running Traps? :) Not everyone is going to follow the new Royal Decree trend....)

-tmanf

[RjAkaPeanut4U]

=/.

The real staples of this format are

Dark Hole
Pot Of Greed
Hungry Burger

Especially Hungry Burger. =].

[ThemBones]

I believe crature swap will be used once again in two's.

Ignoring completely all the restricted cards like Metamorphosis, TER and Scapegoat might be a plus. MoF wont be used as much with more swaps, dark hole and 2 Noblemans, and remember she was used because of the trinity and because shes a light monster. We wouldnt need that in the new meta.

Topdecking will be seen more frecuently because of no serpent, NA's and the bad boy himself, Dark Hole. Recurssion will be the best objective in the new meta, also playing with few traps. V lords and Phoenix are going to be gods. Whats their enemy? D.D. girls. Just play sakuretsu's, my body as a shield or D.D. Survivors, thats all. You say bottomless is going to hurt? Never! Royal Decree is there and also if your intelligent or someone like Jae Kim who looooves cards people dont use, then splash in a few Nobleman of Exterminations to sweep Sakuretsu, Bottomless or Decrees in multiples. Whoops, sorry for the secret!

The new meta will be the battle of the Side Decks!!!!

[neo78956]

wow you are a complete noob. a lot of the stuff you mentioned are not staples whatsoever.

*magician of faith won't be abused much since there aren't nearly as many good spells to get back. it's not like before when you had triple goat/morph/other 2 trinity cards to abuse.

*and since mof lost considerable power and nobody will play multiples unless they're stupid, then also nobody will bother playing apprentice magicians. how stupid are you anyway? even in our current banlist with morph and the trinity running rampant, nobody plays apprentice magicians. so why would anyone run them after mof loses so much playability??

*metamorphosis is next to pointless to even play since itself, goat, and TER are restricted to 1. nobody will bother.

*and since nobody will bother with morph and there's no trinity to abuse, tsukuyomi is garbage. nobody will play that either.

*with sinister banned and dark hole unbanned, very few people will play lightning vortex. it isn't that great even in our current format and in october it gets even worse.

*how can you even consider bottomless, sakuretsu, and decree staples? they're good but not in EVERY deck. and why would you run decree along with unchainable traps? that's pretty ******ed. you would screw yourself over more than you would your opponent.

*that sidedeck template is the most horrible i've ever seen. i can't even begin to tell you how many of those cards don't need to be there.

why don't you do everyone a favor and not give any more advice about ygo because you suck at it. okay? kthx.

Jay Bee, you are right. The thread starter must think he is God or something. People will run what they want, not what you tell them to run. I for one hope you get completely pwned trying to run a side deck like that. Wait until our banlist is actually released before trying to tell us crap like this total waste of time.

[Red-Eyes D.D.]

Heh, this is America, dammit! Land of the free and all that. How dare you tell us what we can and cannot play in our decks! COMMIE!!!

Sorry about that. Patriot moment.

[Hallock]

It is actually more than 28
Monster, 9 Cards
Sangan
Breaker
Tribe Infecting Virus
D.D. Warrior Lady
Magician of Faith X2
Tsukuyomi X1
Apprentice Magician X2


Magic, 13 Cards (We All Will Run These)
Pot of Greed
MST
Heavy Storm
Lightning Vortex
Confiscation
Dark Hole
Book of Moon
Premature Burial
Nobleman of Crossout 1-2
Snatch Steal
Scapegoat
Metamorphosis

Traps, 5 Cards
Torrential Tribune
Call of the Haunted
Bottomless Trap Hole
Sakuesku Armor 1-3
Royal Decree 1-3



Side Deck Requirements, 11 Cards

Jinzo
Mobius
Airknight
Royal Decree's
Sakuesku
Swords of Revealing Light
Card Destruction
Cyber Jar
Morphing Jar
Dust Tornado X2
I don't agree with al of these cards, but a lot of them I would defintley have to agree with.

[Exiled]

Im not even going to get started on this although I believe that Phoenix will rise again. But thats just my OP

[horus'masta]

well for starters, no skilled player maindecks royal decree, ya basicly take out jinzo and an s/t or 2 put in mobius and 1-2 decrees and you have superior st control that your opponent didnt side against.thats one way to abuse it, but most of the better ways of abusing decree lies in the side deck,you also forgot about night assailant wich is the closest thing to serpent we got now.however the only situations where it would be of any similar use of serpent will be if the opponent has reapers or dons,because we dont discard via gracefu, or duo, and we dont build our hands huge enough to make a discard usually.its removal and resource management in 1 card tho so its still nice, destroy a monster or put magician back in yer hand re-use cyber jar.its all good

[vishnubhai]

actually lightning vortex wont see much play n e more..

[horus'masta]

actually lightning vortex wont see much play n e more..
lightning vortex will see play, so what if you cant discard serpent for it, suck it up, it still destroys every face up your opponent controls, hell ive done some hella mad dmg comboing that with swords.

[ThemBones]

At least i dont summon more than 2 monsters into my field , unless theyre 2 v lords and a phoenix, but ill dare you to activate the vortex if i only have 2 monsters, itll just even us up, and **** your hand.



Dark Hole = God

[Pemolis]

Resurrected this and updated it with the new banlist. Removed about 8 cards from being requirements due to the banlist.

So now only 50% of everybody's deck is predictable and exact carbon copies.

[SyusukeFuji1337]

Resurrected this and updated it with the new banlist. Removed about 8 cards from being requirements due to the banlist.

So now only 50% of everybody's deck is predictable and exact carbon copies.
It's hard to believe anyone can be this stupid.

[ss4giel]

this is the worst thing ever. u fail. thnx.

[Aqua edge]

For some reason I don't see Sangan fitting in to an Aggro deck.

[L2theZ]

It is actually 50% of your deck. (20 cards specifically) (updated for new banlist)

Everybody seems to want to figure out what cards will become the (new cookie). So I decided to help everybody and create about 50% of your new deck (to keep it easy for you).

Here is what 90% of the new decks will consist of. If you want to be competative, Main Deck These Cards Come The New Banlist.


Monster, 4 Cards
Sangan
Breaker
D.D. Warrior Lady
Tsukuyomi X1


Sangan is a no brainer, Breaker for removal, DD For Removal.


Magic, 11 Cards (We All Will Run These)

MST
Heavy Storm
Lightning Vortex
Confiscation
Dark Hole
Book of Moon
Premature Burial
Nobleman of Crossout 1
Snatch Steal
Scapegoat
Metamorphosis

Scapegoat is still good Stall. ANd we can still use Metamorphosis for Balter, Thousand Eye, etc. Dark Hole and Lightning Vortex Complement destruction that is needed (because it WILL Be used against you). Snatch Steal, Premature, Confiscation Required. Heavy Storm and MST are needed for removing Call of the Haunted, Premature Burial and Royal Decree. All in all, Every Spell is required in the above list.



Traps, 5 Cards
Torrential Tribune
Call of the Haunted
Bottomless Trap Hole
Sakuesku Armor 1-3
Royal Decree 1-3


Basic Trap Card Lineup

1) Torrential, Call, Royal Decree X3

2) Bottomless X2, Sakuesku X2, Torrential, Call, Royal Decree.


Mirror Force will be replaced by Sakuesku Armor X2. Some may try to use Needle Ceiling instead but there will not be enough monsters on the field to ever use it with Dark Hole, Bottomless, Torrential Tribune and Lightning Vortex's going off. Call of the Haunted is our chainable revival, and Torrential Tribune is our mass removal, to go along with Dark hole and Lightning Vortex. We will all run at minimum, 1 royal decree for dealing with Sakuesku, torrential and every so often the random gravity bind or awkward trap from someone who is trying to be original.

Here is your 20 Minimum Card Requirements for your deck.
4 Monsters
11 Magic
5 Trap


Don't worry, I have 70% of your Side Deck laid out too.

Side Deck Requirements, 11 Cards

Jinzo
Mobius
Airknight
Royal Decree's
Sakuesku
Swords of Revealing Light
Card Destruction
Cyber Jar
Morphing Jar
Dust Tornado X2


Here is your During Ban List Deck Template. You have Room for 1 Trap Card of your Choice, Though I wouldn't recommend it. You have room for about 2 to 4 Magic Cards, Two of those should be Smashing Ground. Luckly Now, you get to choose about 12 Monster of your Choice, to create your "theme"

So here is your deck you will play for the Next 6 Months. Tweakage of 1 to 3 cards are allowed, but anything beyond that and the deck no longer will be competative.

Quoted becasue he updated it.

Mons:
Won't be running Sangan although he is a decent choice if you're not going Aggro, and no, VERY few people will still run Tsuku.

Magics:
Book Of Moon and Scapegoat are questionable, but again VERY few people will run Metamorphsis.

Traps:
No way buddy, 3 Decrees? in this enviroment? It's all beatdown, you'd be saying ehre come smack me around, you're just very wrong here.

So no, you've got it all wrong, very wrong.

[Dawn Yoshi]

The Tsuku love is about to decline. How sad. :(

Stupid Konami. Having to restrict that card, when its power is nerfed with the restriction of Meta, Thousand Eyes, and the nerfing of Charity and Duo...:(
Well, the power that everybody else abused and what made Tsuku into a chaos staple...*sigh*

I personally think templates are the worst ideas in this game. They only condone netdecking and it greatly restricts the creative process of making a new deck. It only caters to aggro, and completely ignores burn, other forms of stall, various forms of control, and various forms of combo.

[DMoChocolate]

It is actually 50% of your deck. (20 cards specifically) (updated for new banlist)

Everybody seems to want to figure out what cards will become the (new cookie). So I decided to help everybody and create about 50% of your new deck (to keep it easy for you).

Here is what 90% of the new decks will consist of. If you want to be competative, Main Deck These Cards Come The New Banlist.


Monster, 3 Cards
Sangan
Breaker
D.D. Warrior Lady



Sangan is a no brainer, Breaker for removal, DD For Removal.


Magic, Cards (We All Will Run These)

MST
Heavy Storm
Dark Hole
Premature Burial
Nobleman of Crossout 1
Scapegoat
Metamorphosis
2x Smashing Ground





Traps, 5 Cards
Torrential Tribute
Call of the Haunted
Sakuretsku Armor 1-3

[u]Magic Drain/Drop Off/Time Seal x2 (+)[u]



Edited to more closely resemble what will ACTUALLY be basic choices after the first three weeks of this list. And, of course, what I use now.

[KevinP]

I tend to disagree, alot of the new deck that will spawn after 10/1 will have most of the cards you have posted but not all of them. To be honest, this is how you get the so called "cookie cutter" decks in the first place. I just hope that anyone that reads these posts will remember that Yugi is still only a game, and being different now more than ever is the way to go.

[Blast Hornet]

http://www.ebaumsworld.com/forumfun/whocares2.jpg

That explains my sentiment.

[Never4ever]

Wow, idf that's the new CC list, then it looks like everyone will get pwned by a very small percentage of people who have know that:

1) Lightning V sucks. With out Night Asailents, BLS or Sinister Serpent, it is unplayable out side some theme decks. Outside non-cc decks, LV isn't even worthy of the side-board.

2) Morph is dead. They didn't completly ban it because there is still the need for a noob chase card. something every noob will run, making easier for us to defeat them.

3) Jinzo >>> Decree. Only noobs would run 3x decree in CC decks.


With that said the new CC will be:

Aggro beatdown

Monsters:
3x DDA
DDWL
Jinzo
Airknight
MOF
Cyber Jar
Morphing Jar
7-10 filler monsters

Magic:
Heavy
Dark Hole
Confication
Scapegoat
MST
Premie
Snatch
Brain Control
8-10 Filler traps

Trap:
COTH
TT
Sakuretsu Armor
BTH
CED
1 or 2 more traps

Thankfully, for the most part, CC is dead.

[Pemolis]

Truth Be Told, as many of you bash this post and poster, there is a point to be made.

Half of a person's deck can be yelled out from anybody standing in a crowd and they wouldn't need to even see or know the person to know what 1/2 of there deck consists of.

This is on average of course. There is the "RARE" occasion that someone will try something new, but I dare a person not to use those 50 Most used cards written by Jaelove (http://www.pojo.biz/board/showthread.php?t=161853&page=1&pp=12)

Someone come up with a Competative deck that does not maindeck or Sidedeck those cards... I'll stop complaining.

[WildWill]

this is the worst thing ever. u fail. thnx.


Actually, you fail. You fail to log in for a month. You've had plenty of chances here.

[Pyro Ardvark]

I'm sorry but by no means are any of the cards you mentioned staples. In fact they are far from them with the exception of a very select few.

By the way Lightning Vortex is a terrible card.

[siQness]

lightning vortex will most definately not be a staple

it sucked before, let it suck some more(wow that rhymes)

dark hole pwns vortex, no sinister is not vortex friendly

[InEviTabLe.SiN]

It is actually 50% of your deck. (20 cards specifically) (updated for new banlist)

Everybody seems to want to figure out what cards will become the (new cookie). So I decided to help everybody and create about 50% of your new deck (to keep it easy for you).

Here is what 90% of the new decks will consist of. If you want to be competative, Main Deck These Cards Come The New Banlist.


Monster, 4 Cards
Sangan
Breaker
D.D. Warrior Lady
Tsukuyomi X1


Sangan is a no brainer, Breaker for removal, DD For Removal.


Magic, 11 Cards (We All Will Run These)

MST
Heavy Storm
Lightning Vortex
Confiscation
Dark Hole
Book of Moon
Premature Burial
Nobleman of Crossout 1
Snatch Steal
Scapegoat
Metamorphosis

Scapegoat is still good Stall. ANd we can still use Metamorphosis for Balter, Thousand Eye, etc. Dark Hole and Lightning Vortex Complement destruction that is needed (because it WILL Be used against you). Snatch Steal, Premature, Confiscation Required. Heavy Storm and MST are needed for removing Call of the Haunted, Premature Burial and Royal Decree. All in all, Every Spell is required in the above list.



Traps, 5 Cards
Torrential Tribune
Call of the Haunted
Bottomless Trap Hole
Sakuesku Armor 1-3
Royal Decree 1-3


Basic Trap Card Lineup

1) Torrential, Call, Royal Decree X3

2) Bottomless X2, Sakuesku X2, Torrential, Call, Royal Decree.


Mirror Force will be replaced by Sakuesku Armor X2. Some may try to use Needle Ceiling instead but there will not be enough monsters on the field to ever use it with Dark Hole, Bottomless, Torrential Tribune and Lightning Vortex's going off. Call of the Haunted is our chainable revival, and Torrential Tribune is our mass removal, to go along with Dark hole and Lightning Vortex. We will all run at minimum, 1 royal decree for dealing with Sakuesku, torrential and every so often the random gravity bind or awkward trap from someone who is trying to be original.

Here is your 20 Minimum Card Requirements for your deck.
4 Monsters
11 Magic
5 Trap


Don't worry, I have 70% of your Side Deck laid out too.

Side Deck Requirements, 11 Cards

Jinzo
Mobius
Airknight
Royal Decree's
Sakuesku
Swords of Revealing Light
Card Destruction
Cyber Jar
Morphing Jar
Dust Tornado X2


Here is your During Ban List Deck Template. You have Room for 1 Trap Card of your Choice, Though I wouldn't recommend it. You have room for about 2 to 4 Magic Cards, Two of those should be Smashing Ground. Luckly Now, you get to choose about 12 Monster of your Choice, to create your "theme"

So here is your deck you will play for the Next 6 Months. Tweakage of 1 to 3 cards are allowed, but anything beyond that and the deck no longer will be competative.

No no no.. No Tsukyomi, Apprentice Magician, Lightning Vortex or Decree whatsoever. The only TRUE STAPLE was Pot of Greed, but now its banned so yeh..

[Flow AD]

so wrong lol

[Zerato]

What are you talking about? Tsukuyomi, Lightning Vortex, Metamorphosis, Royal Decree, Confiscation, Book of Moon or DD Warrior Lady are not in my deck. You are delusional. Just because these cards are good doesn't mean that you have to run them. You are stuck in your own world where you think that you need to conform to be the best. They are not necessary for every deck. It's kind of obnoxious to assume with 100% assurity that everyone WILL run these cards. That will make you look like a fool.

[MetallicPyreal]

I didn't realize that this was still here.

Anyway, this list is still BS. You people fail to realize that this game is about fun. We shouldn't be using all of the same cards in our decks. What kind of fun is that?

[Envoy of Destruction]

Well, Side Deck doesn`t have "staples" or "cookies". You build Side Deck in order to cover up your Deck`s weakness, or to counter your metagame. And there are only 2 "staple" Traps. My Trap lineup is:
1x Call of the Haunted
1x Torrential Tribute
3x Mind Haxorz
3x Dust Tornado

[Pemolis]

I didn't realize that this was still here.

Anyway, this list is still BS. You people fail to realize that this game is about fun. We shouldn't be using all of the same cards in our decks. What kind of fun is that?


Yes this game is about fun, but this game is also about winning. It is hardpressed to say that you are having fun if you lose every single time.


Either-or. These cards win games.

If you do not use these, you'll have a hard (if not impossible) time actually winning.

[MetallicPyreal]

Yes this game is about fun, but this game is also about winning. It is hardpressed to say that you are having fun if you lose every single time.


Either-or. These cards win games.

If you do not use these, you'll have a hard (if not impossible) time actually winning.
True.

Those cards do win games. But they are not the ONLY cards that can do so.

Impossible to win without all of those cards? I don't think so. Not if you're good at the game.

[Angel_of_Despair]

you're so ridiculously off the mark its hillarious.

~Max

[Venny]

Yes this game is about fun, but this game is also about winning. It is hardpressed to say that you are having fun if you lose every single time.


Either-or. These cards win games.

If you do not use these, you'll have a hard (if not impossible) time actually winning.

I fail to see why I need morph and/or vortex to make my decks win. Just cause they are restricted to one doesn't make them staples. Tsukuyomi isn't a staple monster either.

[Envoy of Destruction]

Why running Lightning Vortex, when I can run 2 Smashing Grounds and 1 Dark Hole?

[DMoChocolate]

Why running Lightning Vortex, when I can run 2 Smashing Grounds and 1 Dark Hole?

Funny, that's what I'm running now too...Let's start a thread about it! [/Sarcasm]

I appreciate the thread starter trying to save netdeckers time. But, irrespective of being completely wrong about the list, it's far too early.

[warelock]

Funny how wrong a guy can be, eh ? Even the Director Of Product Enhancement.

And funny, also, how players so quickly try to ruin the game Tewart and Konami have revitalized. Fortunately for us all, this is is total nonsense.

I agree that everyone will be using Heavy Storm and Mystical Space Typhoon, however.

;-)

[cinci033]

I've built a couple of decks, & so far only 1 outta 3 has Tsukuyomi, Morph, or Vortex.

[Pemolis]

I intend no disrespect. All I point out is the predictability of decks.

[PainAgonySuffering]

It is actually 50% of your deck. (20 cards specifically) (updated for new banlist)

Everybody seems to want to figure out what cards will become the (new cookie). So I decided to help everybody and create about 50% of your new deck (to keep it easy for you).

Here is what 90% of the new decks will consist of. If you want to be competative, Main Deck These Cards Come The New Banlist.


Monster, 4 Cards
Sangan
Breaker
D.D. Warrior Lady
Tsukuyomi X1


Sangan is a no brainer, Breaker for removal, DD For Removal.


Magic, 11 Cards (We All Will Run These)

MST
Heavy Storm
Lightning Vortex
Confiscation
Dark Hole
Book of Moon
Premature Burial
Nobleman of Crossout 1
Snatch Steal
Scapegoat
Metamorphosis

Scapegoat is still good Stall. ANd we can still use Metamorphosis for Balter, Thousand Eye, etc. Dark Hole and Lightning Vortex Complement destruction that is needed (because it WILL Be used against you). Snatch Steal, Premature, Confiscation Required. Heavy Storm and MST are needed for removing Call of the Haunted, Premature Burial and Royal Decree. All in all, Every Spell is required in the above list.



Traps, 5 Cards
Torrential Tribune
Call of the Haunted
Bottomless Trap Hole
Sakuesku Armor 1-3
Royal Decree 1-3


Basic Trap Card Lineup

1) Torrential, Call, Royal Decree X3

2) Bottomless X2, Sakuesku X2, Torrential, Call, Royal Decree.


Mirror Force will be replaced by Sakuesku Armor X2. Some may try to use Needle Ceiling instead but there will not be enough monsters on the field to ever use it with Dark Hole, Bottomless, Torrential Tribune and Lightning Vortex's going off. Call of the Haunted is our chainable revival, and Torrential Tribune is our mass removal, to go along with Dark hole and Lightning Vortex. We will all run at minimum, 1 royal decree for dealing with Sakuesku, torrential and every so often the random gravity bind or awkward trap from someone who is trying to be original.

Here is your 20 Minimum Card Requirements for your deck.
4 Monsters
11 Magic
5 Trap


Don't worry, I have 70% of your Side Deck laid out too.

Side Deck Requirements, 11 Cards

Jinzo
Mobius
Airknight
Royal Decree's
Sakuesku
Swords of Revealing Light
Card Destruction
Cyber Jar
Morphing Jar
Dust Tornado X2


Here is your During Ban List Deck Template. You have Room for 1 Trap Card of your Choice, Though I wouldn't recommend it. You have room for about 2 to 4 Magic Cards, Two of those should be Smashing Ground. Luckly Now, you get to choose about 12 Monster of your Choice, to create your "theme"

So here is your deck you will play for the Next 6 Months. Tweakage of 1 to 3 cards are allowed, but anything beyond that and the deck no longer will be competative.


All decks....dont make me laugh. I would never run 3 decrees mained nevertheless one. Maybe sided...who knows. As far as spells...Vortex is jank in the new format. The replacement card of Vortex in the new format is either Brain Control, Enemy Controller, or Smashing Ground. As far as draw strength the best options for speed are Cyber Jar, Morphing Jar, or Card Destruction. Dust Tornado would prolly see 1-2 in main deck playability. The trap to make a replacement for the losses of Mirror Force and Ring will either be Sakuretsu Armor or Bottomless Trap Hole. Its kind of funny how you stated the side decks as well. Side decks are made to counter decks and in some way improve your own deck. The side deck you posted doesnt counter Cyber OTK....or anything else really. With the above cards posted you might as well not have a side deck. Cyber OTK will be played more at Regionals so w/o counters you will most likely lose.

[Nyan_Nyanfan22]

Why would anyone sidedeck cyber jar, swords, sakuretsu armor, or card destruction. Am I the only one, that thinks these cards should be in the maindeck. Don't act like an expert, and tell other people how to construct their decks.

[Tohma]

It is actually 50% of your deck. (20 cards specifically) (updated for new banlist)

Everybody seems to want to figure out what cards will become the (new cookie). So I decided to help everybody and create about 50% of your new deck (to keep it easy for you).

Here is what 90% of the new decks will consist of. If you want to be competative, Main Deck These Cards Come The New Banlist.


Monster, 4 Cards
Sangan
Breaker
D.D. Warrior Lady
Tsukuyomi X1


Sangan is a no brainer, Breaker for removal, DD For Removal.


Magic, 11 Cards (We All Will Run These)

MST
Heavy Storm
Lightning Vortex
Confiscation
Dark Hole
Book of Moon
Premature Burial
Nobleman of Crossout 1
Snatch Steal
Scapegoat
Metamorphosis

Scapegoat is still good Stall. ANd we can still use Metamorphosis for Balter, Thousand Eye, etc. Dark Hole and Lightning Vortex Complement destruction that is needed (because it WILL Be used against you). Snatch Steal, Premature, Confiscation Required. Heavy Storm and MST are needed for removing Call of the Haunted, Premature Burial and Royal Decree. All in all, Every Spell is required in the above list.



Traps, 5 Cards
Torrential Tribune
Call of the Haunted
Bottomless Trap Hole
Sakuesku Armor 1-3
Royal Decree 1-3


Basic Trap Card Lineup

1) Torrential, Call, Royal Decree X3

2) Bottomless X2, Sakuesku X2, Torrential, Call, Royal Decree.


Mirror Force will be replaced by Sakuesku Armor X2. Some may try to use Needle Ceiling instead but there will not be enough monsters on the field to ever use it with Dark Hole, Bottomless, Torrential Tribune and Lightning Vortex's going off. Call of the Haunted is our chainable revival, and Torrential Tribune is our mass removal, to go along with Dark hole and Lightning Vortex. We will all run at minimum, 1 royal decree for dealing with Sakuesku, torrential and every so often the random gravity bind or awkward trap from someone who is trying to be original.

Here is your 20 Minimum Card Requirements for your deck.
4 Monsters
11 Magic
5 Trap


Don't worry, I have 70% of your Side Deck laid out too.

Side Deck Requirements, 11 Cards

Jinzo
Mobius
Airknight
Royal Decree's
Sakuesku
Swords of Revealing Light
Card Destruction
Cyber Jar
Morphing Jar
Dust Tornado X2


Here is your During Ban List Deck Template. You have Room for 1 Trap Card of your Choice, Though I wouldn't recommend it. You have room for about 2 to 4 Magic Cards, Two of those should be Smashing Ground. Luckly Now, you get to choose about 12 Monster of your Choice, to create your "theme"

So here is your deck you will play for the Next 6 Months. Tweakage of 1 to 3 cards are allowed, but anything beyond that and the deck no longer will be competative.

First of all, it's Torrential Tribute not Tribune. Second, this is the biggest piece of ******ry I have ever seen short of homosexual furries. I will admit that, yes, you do raise a good point about how a lot of the decks are running the exact same cards almost to the point where it seems like it's just one huge circle jerk composed of every possible deck builder. People use good cards because that's what works. There's no denying that and no amount of *****ing you do can change it. With your twenty "must use" cards, that still leaves another twenty cards that you can use to be original with. Hell, some of those twenty cards you said have to be used might even get ditched for stuff that's more in-theme or works better than what's being forced upon people.

[Paladinseer007]

This list is lame, borderline crap. Two Apprentice Magicians? Lightning Vortex as a staple? WTF?

Thank you, I'm right there with you on this, I'm breaker, that's really ridiculous that's just like saying "Hey I want MST to be banned even though it's only at one".

[King of Dragon]

Why the flip is this topic is back up here. The last post before this thing was revived was in September.

[Pemolis]

I used it in reference to one of my other posts on this forum. I'll ask a mod to lock this.