Battle Factory - helpful stuff

[shineyaltaria]

This thread both gives and asks for helpful Battle Factory info.

Alhtough I still haven't won gold, I thought some observations may be helpful to some of you, and that there may be posters who have Factory experience and maybe have won the Gold Knowledge symbol. I came within one turn of winning Gold but lost Battle #42 to the darn Factory Head, and since then I've tried many times but still haven't come close to a re-battle for the Gold.

I thought well maybe what I've learned so far will be helpful to some of you. So below are some of my observations. If you have Factory stuff that you think might be helpful, please put in two cents.

Got two cents?

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First, I've noticed that after battle 28 (starting with the 5th trainer group) we start to see many different pokemon than in the first 4 groups, including the legendaries like Lati@s and all 3 beasts.[/B]

Second, the Artificial Intelligence is much better in Emerald than in R/S since it doesn't wait to start making counters to your team. It still will do stupid things like repeat trying to attract you when you are like already attracted but in general it will pick SE attacks much more often than in R/S. If you pick a poison in lead for example, expect to see lots of Pyschic attacks right away, even if you're in battle #1. Also, there are no lame pokemon in Open level---like non-evolved pokemon with bubblebeam or some crap. (although those pokemon actually are in the Lv 50 challenge.)

About swapping; sometimes we'll get great choices and other times crap choices. There doesn't seem to be any pattern here. A lot of times though we'll be given 3 or more pokemon with the same weakness, making it harder to select a team that can actually cover each other. Unless you are really lucky, plan on swapping out a couple times just to get a bascially decent team, and be very aware you are more vulnerable until you do. I've also noticed that sometimes all 6 choices are sweepers or play many play similar Roles. This also makes it harder to balance your team.

There have been many times where I've beaten a trainer group using only 2 of the 3 pokemon. Especially if I have a good strong sweeper and something that can inflict a degrading status effect like WOW or Toxic. I hardly ever pass up an Umby or Weezing swap. But when you get to the 5th trainer you had better have THREE good ones or you won't last long.

Today I got 33 in a row before losing. Meh, I'm still learning I guess, and so far I've been learning the hard way. So if you have something helpful to add please post.

Experience is an expensive teacher.

[Sephirtoh_Masamune]

I haven't gone for the Gold Symbol yet...but I guess now I will just to see how hard it actually is...from anyone with experience against the silver badge..this can be ewxtremly easy...but it is experience just the same....

To me...I technically choose the best pokemon that cover each other with weaknesses and also the pokemon with the best moves and or combo's...because you never know what your going to face and almost always the computer will counter your decision.

Try going for the Most Powerful moves/pokemon that can cover a wide variety of pokemon, and, just like SA said you will have to have things that take out those ever faithful legendaries....who said they were one-of-a-kind...pfft

My book technically does'nt have help for the Gold Symbol..so that is not much use....but IMO you should go for the strongest types of moves (keep in mind most accurate), and just dish out Multiple OHKO's

Make sure you have a annoyer in there...because I beleive the Computer hates these more than we do...lol...healer's work well...as long as they are given at least 1 attack...

I will post again once I have tried to tackle the gold symbol and let you know my results

Sephirtoh_Masamune

[hydrostatic89]

It's easier if you switch a Pokemon every time. Then the computer won't really catch on to your strategy. When I don't switch, they catch on and get a Poke that's strong against all of my team. Now I finally have the Gold Symbol :/

[shineyaltaria]

SM: I'll be looking forward to seeing your results. Hopefully you'll have better luck than I 've been having. And thanks for the post.

Hydro: I can see your point. Sometimes though I really luck out and get 3 that work well together and then I won't swap. In a way I guess swapping rentals plays a similar role as rotation did back in the R/S Battle tower---to confuse the AI and all. And congrats on GOld. So far you are the only one I know of that has it.

[Aximili90]

I've found it helpful to use certain strategies for my lead pokemon...

I always do the double battles(will that still get me the gold?) because I like them better.

Unfortunately, I have found that using something like the Earthquake/levitate/Flying type trick nets you Pidgeots often enough, and once I fought a solrock and lunatone at the same time... x.x

Another good trick that gets countered is Explosion/Flying type/Protect... These things will help those struggling with the first picks, especially when you're getting new pokemon.

I'll try the rotation thing though... it probably will help alot.

Oh! Last thing to note: there are about 3 movesets for each pokemon... remember which ones can have protect/detect and avoid attacking them first...

And choose pokemon if you can with Surf, earthquake etc. and a fast direct hit pokemon... it helps as well...

[hydrostatic89]

I always do the double battles(will that still get me the gold?) because I like them better.
Double battles won't get you any symbols.

Oh! Last thing to note: there are about 3 movesets for each pokemon... remember which ones can have protect/detect and avoid attacking them first...
Go on Pokefor for all the movesets of all possible Pokemon.

And congrats on GOld. So far you are the only one I know of that has it.
Thanks. :)

Hydro: I can see your point. Sometimes though I really luck out and get 3 that work well together and then I won't swap. In a way I guess swapping rentals plays a similar role as rotation did back in the R/S Battle tower---to confuse the AI and all.
Yeah, but what everybody says is that when you switch, you win :/ That's what everybody at Serebii says, and I actually proved that to myself.
Just switch every battle (even if you don't want to) because the computer will catch on on what you're trying to play. If you do DD/Frustration Gyrados too much, they will have Jolteons to stop you. I never use a Pokemon for more than 2 battles.

[_-*$carface*-_]

I see how that can help but I'm always afraid I'll get a Super-Sucky Pokemon. Although I do have a lot of the different Move-sets that Pokemon can have, I'm afraid of switching for a crap Pokemon. Unless the Pokemon I Battled against almost Whipped me and I get to see what Attacks it has. Cuz I gotta know what moves there gonna have before I Swap for them. One time, I think it was with a Venusaur, I killed it in one shot and I didn't get a chance to see how good it was. And I really needed a Grass type move so I was Hoping it had something like Giga-Drain. But when I swapped for it it had, Sunny Day, Synthises, Leech Seed and Toxic. I think. This isn't to bad Since it could be good, having Leech Seed Zapping energy, Toxic slowly reducing the Foe's energy even more, and Synthesis to Recover. But I wanted a Solid Strong Grass move Cuz my team would get owned by Water. I would have Rathered Electric but Venusaur was the first pick.

[hydrostatic89]

Ooh I just found this on Pokefor.

The more you switch Pokemon, the higher the IVs of those on your team. So I'd STRONGLY recommend switching after EVERY BATTLE. After 6 battles, most of your Pokemon should have 31 IVs

[MatthewR]

I have the worst luck at Battle Factory. I win twice in a row and then lose round 4 in the third one.

[shineyaltaria]

Hydro, thanks for posting that helpful info. I’ll try swapping more, as much as possible, even when I ordinarily would be comfortable with the team I already have.

Scarface makes a great point about wanting to see the moveset first though. I’ve had the same thing happen to me where I see species I really like (but not the moveset) and so then I would swap only to find it’s got a suck moveset. So I guess the key is to swap more often but still be careful. Each species seems to have several movesets. I'm guessing but there don't seem to be more than like 50 different species, at least in the first 4 trainer groups. After that you get lots of other species including the ubers.

MattewR, in my record run I got 41 straight wins but lost to the Factory head in a close match. I did 19 swaps in that challenge. Ironically, I had much less of an idea about how it all worked at the time and haven’t been able to repeat getting that far yet, despite many tries. So don’t feel bad. It’s true there is a lot of knowledge and skill needed but there is also having the right luck at the right time. Sometimes it just comes down to that.

[MajinRokusho89]

In addition to the higher IV's (which I hadn't known about), I think the more you swap, the better species you'll have access to at the start (in line with what shineyaltaria mentioned about finding legendaries after battle 28).

The first time I beat 7, when I went to pick my next set, the species and movesets were kind of blah. I think I swapped once or twice that whole first round. I had lost the next streak I entered (story of my life at the Frontier).

When I restarted, after reading on Serebii.net that the pokemon you have access to improves the more you swap, I started swapping after every battle. In set of battles #2, the species I had to pick from was quite a bit better, and the then continued for set #3. I managed to defeat Noland (the match is recorded on my Pass). I know I had Magneton and Sealeo (don't remember 3rd, didn't use it that battle) and he had Bayleaf, Camerupt and Tropius, so I lucked out with some type edges. 3 battles into the streak after Noland, I lost again.

I've been focusing more on other Frontier places now (like Battle Palace), but maybe I'll give the Factory another try. At least there I don't need to pre-raise, so I can take a break from EV training...

[shineyaltaria]

I managed to defeat Noland (the match is recorded on my Pass).

I've been focusing more on other Frontier places now (like Battle Palace), but maybe I'll give the Factory another try. At least there I don't need to pre-raise, so I can take a break from EV training...

Thanks for the good post. I assume you mean you won Gold and Silver, right?

Is the Factory easier/harder/about the same as the other areas? I've only been to the Factory so far, and would like opinions on this if anyone has had experiences at different BF areas.

Got experience?

BTW, I saw somewhere that Nolan's pokemon are rentals also and I haven't put that down yet so I thought I'd mention it here.

[_-*$carface*-_]

Wow, I had no clue that Swapping can allow you to Swap for Pokemon with Better IV's, that's Really Helpful to Know.

Factory Head here I come. Just wait until I get 41 Wins ok?

[pokeadvice]

Anyone tried to beat the Palace Brain? It took me two tries against him. His Lapras's Horn Drill is just cruel.
Oh, and I got the Lansat berry.
__________________________________________________ _______________ Go fake sig!
I have silver from everyone!
I got gold from the factory!

[pokeadvice]

Don't you just hate not having a signature?

[hydrostatic89]

Factory is relatively easier IMO... Other places you have to raise your own Pokemon; also, Noland's team is at random, while the others have a set team.

[_-*$carface*-_]

I just Like Battle Factory more. For some reason. I like the Combo's that are relatively good that I see on Occasion. Like One time I had;

Poliwrath @ Chesto Berry
Male/Water Absorb/Adamant
EV's, I Don't Know.
Belly Drum
Hypnosis
Rest
Brick Break

Not too bad, also this was Lv 50 not 100. It could be improved but Compared to everything else I got to use, it was good. Fairly good Attack, then being Maxed out by Belly Drum, and A STABed Brick Break. And Putting the Opponent to Sleep then Maxing Out Attack, Putting Self to Sleep and Emmediatly Awakening. Full HP, Maxed out Attack, a STABed Brick Break that can also bust through Barriers. And possibly the Opponent is Still Sleeping after this. Another Time I had An Absol. I think it was like this.

Absol @ Choice Band
Male/Pressure/Adamant
EV's, I Don't Know.
Earthquake
Ariel Ace
Double-Edge
Shadow Ball

I Loved this guy. But I think Ariel Ace was First. Can't remember but that's what it Basically was.

[shineyaltaria]

Wow, pokeadvice! Since you have earned all of the silvers and also the Factory Gold, I'll be looking forward to hearing some tips from you based on all of your BF experience. I'm sure you'll be able to post some very helpful ideas. Don't keep us waiting too long now, ok?

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One more tip that I want to mention: Don't ever swap for a pokemon with only one attack since if it ends up being your last pokemon you have a fair chance of being totally screwed if any of your foe pokemon are immune to that one attack. This also includes a pokemon with two attacks that are of the same type obviously. You'll eventually either end up in a struggle-fest or get pissed off enough to just turn the darn game off and be disqualified. Not fun.

Got on/off?

[_-*$carface*-_]

Yeah thats true, I swapped for a Venusaur but the only Attack that did damage was Giga Drain. Then the next Trainer, we were down to our last Pokemon, and his was a Dodrio. That thing Attacked first and Drill Pecked me to my Death. And even though that was about 2 Weeks Ago, I'm still mad and I'm blaming the Venusaur for me loosing. And PokeAdvice, Can't you just get a real Sig or do you not know how? Congrats on getting the Gold.

[pokeadvice]

Thanks. One of my Factory favorites is was a minun. It had an incredible speed and encore. I had another pokemon with safeguard and I could trap opponents using status moves. The people who programmed the game didn't add the AI to know when to switch out. I also got lucky because the computer didn't seem to realize safeguard was in effect. I was also lucky in that I ran into many guys that liked to lead off with a magic coat or counter. Personally, I didn't switch that much. Once I got a good team, I held onto it until the end. And I can't get the sig because now you need a hundred posts.
______________________ Got pseudosigs?
Go Lansat!
Really, I can't think of any uses for it...
The Starf would probably be good on a mixed sweeper with a recovery move.

[pokeadvice]

Pojo Newbie!? I'd prefer not having a title. Sorry this is off subject...

[Nicho]

Don't you just hate not having a signature?

Hmm... i can't seem to find my edit signiture link, i wonder why, i didn't do anything that bad w/ my last ones :cool:

also i don't see the reason to use attacks like encore and others like screech, you would more often be better off using that turn to attack than to lower your opponent's w/e by a few levels and encore, there's no real point is there? if you get a good attack to encore you can't really do much about it since you just used up your turn using encore

[Sephirtoh_Masamune]

Nicho..did'nt you read the post announcements when they were posted...only ppl with 500 posts or more can have them...you don't have that many

[_-*$carface*-_]

Nicho..did'nt you read the post announcements when they were posted...only ppl with 500 posts or more can have them...you don't have that many

^What do you mean, I have had a Signature since around my 30th Post.^

Pokeadvice, please stop Double-Posting, if you want to add something, just EDIT you other Post. But I agree. Pojo Newbie doesn't sound too cool. But I went from Pojo Intermediary to Registered user.

And Nicho, have you ever read a chart that shows how much Stats the Opponent is Reduced by. It is better to Raise your Own Stats but those moves Significantly increase or Lower Stats tremendously. I'll sorta make one below to show you. I'll just use Attack moves and Stuff to stay with one Stat and not get complicated.

-----Example Moves-----|--Stat Increase Level--|---Amount Increased By---|
--Howl/Sharpen/Meditate-- | ----------1---------- | -------Multiplied By 1.5-------|
------Swords Dance------ | ----------2---------- | --------Multiplied By 2--------|
--Swords Dance + Howl-- | ----------3---------- | -------Multiplied By 2.5-------|
Swords Dance Used Twice | ----------4---------- | -------Multiplied By 3-------|
Swords Dance x 2 + Howl | ----------5---------- | -------Multiplied By 3.5-------|
Belly Drum/3 Sword Dances | ----------6---------- | -------Multiplied By 4-------|

Ok, this Chart was very hard for me to do, it took a Long Time. But as you can see, one Move like Meditate, Increases Attack by 1 Level. And 1 Level Means Multiplying your Attack (Or whatever Stat the Move is Increasing) by 1.5. Thats Half you Stat Added on to your full Stat. It's Like using a Turn to But STAB on your Stat. And then Swords Dance, it increases it by 2 Levels. Increasing a Stat by 2 Levels Multiplies it by 2. That Doubles Your Stat. So Take Slaking. Max Attack is 460. Swrds Dance makes it 920! After Just using up one turn. Thats like Iron Defense, Increases Defense by 2. Doubles your Defense. For People Like Aggron, Steelix Shuckle. That Brings there Defense Past 1000! Then 3 Levels Multiplies it by 2.5. 4 By 3. 5 By 3.5. And 6 By 4. One Belly Drum Multiplies your Attack By 4! That is good if you ask me. And then something like Bulk Up, Increases Attack and Defense by 1 Level. So Attack And Defence are Multiplied by 1.5. Same for Calm Mind Except it's Special Attack and Special Defence. Well, this Post took me Like a Million Years But I've Finished it. I hope My Chart Helped You and Showed how good those Attacks can be. All the Moves I used are Just Examples, other moves can be used. So basically, each Level you increase by Multiplies your Stat by another .5 higher than the last. This Info was Obtained on Gamefaqs but I put it here for this Post. Hope I Helped.

[MajinRokusho89]

Thanks for the good post. I assume you mean you won Gold and Silver, right?

Is the Factory easier/harder/about the same as the other areas? I've only been to the Factory so far, and would like opinions on this if anyone has had experiences at different BF areas.

Got experience?

BTW, I saw somewhere that Nolan's pokemon are rentals also and I haven't put that down yet so I thought I'd mention it here.

Actually, I only have the Silver Knowledge symbol. In fact, as of this post, I only have 2 symbols, Knowledge and Luck (Battle Pike), both Silver. Everywhere else I get REAL close to the Frontier Brain and then lose.

In terms of difficulty? Well, Battle Dome is fairly simple and staightforward, but it gets tough after the first couple times (still havnt gotten to Dome Ace Tucker, but my brother's beaten him). Battle Tower is, well, the Battle Tower, just like in R/S. And the Battle Arena, the next most simple area, is also fairly straightforeward. Just keep attacking and you should do OK here (and I'd advise againt Slaking here: it's Traunt could kill you in judging if you don't KO your opponent in the 2 out of 3 turns it can attack)

I frequently refer to the Battle Palace as a hemorrhoid. Choosing natures is tough here, and can make for some less than favored nature choices (like choosing a Hardy Starmie over a Modest). That and sometimes a Pokemon's intuition isn't great ("Smooth, Blaziken, Earthquake vs. Murkrow. Very smart). And the Pyramid I've yet to lose in...since I havn't dared go through a 3rd time. This is the time I'll face Brandon, the Brain with the 3 Regis, and I know I'll lose before I get to him (like everywhere else).

Besides the Factory, the only place left is the Battle Pike. Once you learn the chances of events in each room based on the given clues (use Serebii.net for reference), it FAIRLY simple. But as it is based largely on luck, expect to be screwed over regularly the further you advance. Really, they are all difficult in their own way: there's no way to really tell if any one is worse than any other.

Also, here's a list of the Battle Points earned from each place. The more you win, the more BP you'll get, but here's the base for those who don't know.

Battle Dome: 1 BP
Battle Factory: 3 BP (4 BP double battle)
Battle Tower: 1 BP
Battle Pike: 1 BP
Battle Pyramid: 5 BP
Battle Arena: 1 BP
Battle Palace: 4 BP (5 BP doulbe battle)

[pokeadvice]

The Battle Pyramid is by far the hardest. They don't give you enough items to heal status conditions. Also, the wild pokemon are a lot harder to run from. The blue square is always so hard to find... But, enough of my complaining. I have a useful tip. Breloom (spore/focus punch) will destroy Brandon's Regis except regice, which has a chesto or lum, I forget which.
______________________Pseudosigs Rule!
Anyone have a practical use for Lansat?
How do Kelpsies and the other berries work? Are they like proteins except removing EV's? If I use them on a pokemon, does its stat drop? I haven't found the time to find out.

[_-*$carface*-_]

The Battle Pyramid is by far the hardest. They don't give you enough items to heal status conditions. Also, the wild pokemon are a lot harder to run from. The blue square is always so hard to find... But, enough of my complaining. I have a useful tip. Breloom (spore/focus punch) will destroy Brandon's Regis except regice, which has a chesto or lum, I forget which.
______________________Pseudosigs Rule!
Anyone have a practical use for Lansat?
How do Kelpsies and the other berries work? Are they like proteins except removing EV's? If I use them on a pokemon, does its stat drop? I haven't found the time to find out.

No, what those Berries do is Raise they your Stat by 1 Level. Which is Multiplying that Stat by 1.5. And they are Automatically activated when you have reached either below 1/3 or 1/4 of your Max HP, I don't know which one. My earlier Post has a Chart on how much Stats are increased by certain Levels, so look at that if you want. Although that's different from this.

MajinRokusho89, I think your thing is right but one time, I swear when I did the Battle Factory I only got Awarded 2 Battle Points. Maybe my eyes are just playing tricks on me.

[shineyaltaria]

Well now there are lots of helpful posts since I was here last. Thanks to all who are helping.

pokeadvice; minum? You must be playing lv 50 since I've never seen a minum yet (I'm playing Lv 100 only) You are probably right about the AI and switching. It happens but not often, maybe about as much as the old BT in R/S. BPing is much more common from what I've seen. Sometimes I'll swap for a pokemon that can haze/pseudohaze but naturally when I do nothing comes out that I need to shuffle out. There is a list of which specific berries lower stats(courtesy of Sir Clownmaster) in post #10 of the Help Thread if you wanna take a look.

_-*scarface*-_ (There I did it right dude) Thanks for your post about raising stats. I haven't looked at in carefully yet but I will when I have more time tomorrow hopefully.
So far I've only got 3 points for the first few trainer groups and then 4 points after that until beating the Brain to get like 14. That's at Lv 100 Factory. It may be different at Lv 50 IDK.

MajinRokusho89; Great post. Very helpful to me and I'm sure others too. I'll keep all of those things in mind when I finally get ready to try the other BF areas. Thanks again for helping.

[_-*$carface*-_]

Thanks Shiney Altaria. I'm pretty sure the Chart is right cuz I got the info off Gamefaqs. And same, for Battle Factory, I think once I might have got 2 Battle Points, but it was on Lv 50. Still, I think I wasn't really paying attention. And I was s surprized when I was awarded that Battle Points after beating the Factory Head. I thought, maye because I beat the Factory Head I'll get a couple Extra Battle Points. So I was Expecting maybe 5 or so, And when I was awarded 14, I was shocked. Over to the Battle Tower Prize Area for me.

[InterFed_OV]

What are all the Frontier symbols? I know of Knowledge for Factory and Luck for Pike, but what are the others?

Thanks.

[MajinRokusho89]

What are all the Frontier symbols? I know of Knowledge for Factory and Luck for Pike, but what are the others?

Thanks.

Battle Factory - Knowledge Symbol
Battle Pike - Luck Symbol
Battle Palace - Spirits Symbol
Battle Arena - Guts Symbol
Battle Dome - Tactics Symbol
Battle Pyramid - Brave Symbol
Battle Tower - Ability Symbol

As a little adddition to my BP list, it seems to be that every two times through a Frontier Area, the number of BP you recieve will increase (ie. Tournament 1 and 2 at Battle Dome gove 1 BP, Tourney 3 and 4 give 2, Tourney 5 and 6 give 3, that's all I can confirm). This applies for MOST areas. The Battle Arena gives you 1 BP even after the 3rd set of trainers, and at the Battle Tower it seems you get 1 more BP than before every time through (1, then 2, then 3, etc, though I've only confirmed up to 3). There could be other exceptions too, I don't really know.

As for the Battle Factory giving 2 BP to you, scarface, I'm afraid I don't really have an explanation for that. I suppose it could've been a glitch or something, but I'm not really sure. As one may be able to tell, most of what I can find for BP is based on personal experience and inferences.

Also, to update my previous post, I've managed to get the Tactics, Spirits, and Brave Symbols, leaving only the Guts and Abilities. 2 Badges away from a Lansat Berry.