View Full Version : The ABSOLUTE Creepiest Thing EVER!
02-27-2004, 03:30 PM
This really freaked me out. Like, you wouldn't believe it. I swear it was some sort of extraterrestrial <pojo ownz><pojo ownz><pojo ownz><pojo ownz> becase it just isn't possible. >_< I was shuffling my cards really good. First I seperated them into 5 piles, took the first and last and shuffled them together. THen I took the ends that were left and shuffled them together. Then I took the two piles I made and shuffled them together. THen I took the pile that was left over and fanned it out then slipped it into my deck. After that I once again spread them out. This time only into 4 piles. I then took the end two and shuffled them together. I then took the remaining two and shuffled them together before shuffling the two new piles together. I then shuffled it a couple of times more as a whole and then I looked through it............... It freaked me out. All my Myr Enforcers were together, all my Broodstars were together, all my Frogmites were together, all my Thoughtcasts were together, all my moxes were together, all my Mana leaks were together. Some mana was scattered inbetween the different sets but the four copies of each that I have in my deck were all together. It freaked me out. Has this ever happend to anyone else? I seriously doubt it, because this is like a once in a millenia thing.
02-27-2004, 03:59 PM
where they just throw all the cards on the table face down and swishem around for a minute or so this will really randomize them but you risk bent corners torn sleeves(if even using any)and a bunch of upside down cards. LoL at least they will be random which is the important thing. afterall. either that or you just need to find a new way to shuffle since that way doesn't seem to work out that well for you. And I would laugh if by some strange reason some guys gets disqualified during a tourney for stacking his deck. and he swears he shuffled it "you even sat there and watched me"
and for the sake of an answer no this has never happened to me before unless you can do like perfect shuffles 8 times I think this will put a normal 52 card deck of playing cards back in the order you opened them in.
02-27-2004, 10:08 PM
dude, I was at my friends tourney...
and this kid who just started playing shuffles his deck... he pulls out a hand, and calls for a mulligan (we play free mulligans with 0 or all lands) so he takes it, shuffles for like five minutes, and pulls out the same hand exactly.... he did it again.... same thing...
it was really crazy cuz I looked at his deck after the tournament, and it only had one or two copies of everything in it...
02-28-2004, 12:22 AM
Being the nerd that I am, I have figured out this simple eqaution through math.
When you shuffle like you so described, you truly randomized you'r deck.
However, when you repeat the processes, it becomes more and less randomized.
It becomes more randomized by putting (asumeing that you have four of stated card in you'r deck) two or so copies next to eachother.
It lessen's randomization by putting two of the same card next to eachother.
Therefor, if you shuffle for 2+min., you risk the chance of getting land/creature/enchantment/ect. screwed.
This information is based off of statistical and personal experience.
Again, therefor, if you don't shuffle for 2+min., you risk the chance of not getting total randomization.
Example 1: Deck=60. Where 3/4 of deck is land. 2+min. of shuffling will screw you over. (either way in this scenario, you will get screwed)
Example 2: Deck=60. Where 1/4 of deck is land. 2+ min. of shuffling will result in a really good random deck, where land is spaced every 2-4 cards.
Example 3: Deck=60. Where 2/4 = half. 2+min. of shuffling will result in an uneven deck of cards. Where 2-min. will result in a better deck, but to only 13-17% of the time, where half (or .5) is a tricky situation. land is the core of any deck, but other mana producers could be present. For this demanstration, there are no other mana producers.
Example 3b: Where Deck=60 and .5= land is probability of chance of getting land in opening hand and through out the game. We see that half can often get in the way. Most people recomend 24 land in a 60-61 card deck, I average out the Total Casting Cost (TCC) and the average of land needed, and depending on amount of colors in casting cost (Assumeing that its a 2+color deck), I figure out the land ratio. Where 3=TCC of every card in deck (other than land and give or take a few cards with 5-4-1 TCC) I would play close to 16 land. Of course, given my nature to hate land screw and land flood, depending on almost the color(s) of the deck Im playing, I will give or take a land, trying to even out at 60. In a deck with TCC 5+ (Where += 2-3 more mana) I would throw in at least 20 land. Assumeing I was playing green, I would most likely Llanowar Elves, and Other mana produceing elfs or land enchantments (such as Fertile ground) I would worry less abought the land count, however, if land was my only means of mana, I wouldn't hesitate to add in for a total of 25-26 land.
By figureing out the TCC of each card, I calculate land count.
Be warned, False Shuffeling is cheating and will get a match loss for you.
Total shuffeling and sideboarding time is 3 min.
This theory was proved correct today while I was shuffeling up for Poker. I shuffeld for 3 or so Minuets, and it was the worst game of the day. Everyone had bad hands and bad stuff out. Due to bad shuffeling.
03-06-2004, 12:34 PM
Dustin: That's not proving anything mathematically. That's just stating a random fact about shuffling for a long time. Your deck doesn't know that if you "shuffle for more than 2 minutes" you'll get a bad hand... it all depends on how you actually do it. Your theory is bunk.
At Garthan: You got pretty lucky (or unlucky?). I read about someone on the Pro Tour (I don't remember who exactly, but I believe it was around Masques) who would order his deck beforehand, and do a special shuffling technique that involved pile shuffling that would put his deck in the same order. You probably just randomly fell upon the method.
03-06-2004, 12:38 PM
LoL Cabalwannabe. What a bunch of bull<pojo ownz><pojo ownz><pojo ownz><pojo ownz>. Haha.
And Firebird, that may have been it, I dunno. I just know I was really confused when it happened. Oh well, it was awesome. ^_^ It'll MOST LIKELY never happen again. Heh.
03-06-2004, 08:32 PM
never say never,
cuz it has been proven that you can throw a hundred quarters in the air, and eventually you can get all to land heads up.
and eventually you will get all one hundred quarters to land heads up two times in a row.
so an unbelievable event like this can even be more unbelievable when it happens two times in a row.
hopefully you don't die of starvation cuz your busy shuffling or arthitis.
LoL I'm sure the cards themselves will disintergrate long before this will happen to you again and even longer to pull off the same thing one right after another.
Now thats Math in action.
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