New York Man's Episode Summary: Super Saiyan 4 Fusion.

[New York Man]

Goku and Vegeta stare at Omega. " What is fusion? " asked Pan. Omega charged at the ape wonders. But here comes Trunks to the rescue kicking him out of sight. Trunks asked what they were waiting for. Omega comes from behind and chokes Trunks. Goten and Gohan come and kicked him off. Trunks powered up but Omega knocked him down.

Goku was staring and grinning. Was he glad, his family was getting torn to shreds. Vegeta wondered what he was waiting for. Goku was glad that the boys were working together. It is a rare thing in GT.

Finally, Goku and Vegeta did the fusion dance. They became SS4 Gogeta. Gohan, Goten, and Trunks returned to the side. Pan described the fusion as Goku and Vegeta being together like Siamese twins. Gohan says fusion is when two people combine together to form one person.

Ubb comes from no where and wants to fuse with someone. Gohan rejects by saying you have to have the same size and powerlevel. Poor Ubb. He still has Buu.

Gogeta kicks Omega in the building. Omege gets out. Gogeta wants Omega to prepare for Gogeta's most powerful attack. He divides in 6 Gogeta's. He does the Kame Hame Ha. But instead of Kia, strings and balloons come and shower Omega. Omega, you got punked. Gogeta was laughing. I am disgraced to be a GT fan.

Omega fires a red ball beam. Everyone is running. Except Ubb. He is the only one with brains. There was no where to run since the earth would be destroyed. Either Gogeta is meditating, or sleeping. He opens his eyes and deflects the blast getting rid of the negative energy. Everything was brighter.

Omega was shocked. Gogeta did a Kame Hame Big Bang Blast. Everyone thought the battle was over. The dragonballs were back. But Omega was still alive. He absorbed the dragonballs. Gogeta seperated and became two SS4's.
Goku grabbed the four star dragonball. The episode ends there.

6/10

[CBASS]

I'd give that episode a 10/10 for funnyness. And trunks and goten should of gave fusion a shot!

[darkinvader]

I actually watched/heard most of the episode.
I didn't like it, and it broke, like, 2 DB laws.

[CBASS]

I only noticed 1 law breaking, Goku and Vegeta are very differnt in height, so how did the fusion work? Whats the other one?

[darkinvader]

I only noticed 1 law breaking, Goku and Vegeta are very differnt in height, so how did the fusion work? Whats the other one?
30 minute fusions where thrown out the window.

[CBASS]

That was explained though.

[Millenium_Master]

Yes. It was explained that since they were both SS4 they used up more energy. Plus I think it was because he tried the Big Bang Kamehameha too many times and ran out of energy.

[Yugioh fan]

i wonder what it would have been like if trunks and goten did try and fuse. but they were in thier fighting omega i missed the first halfed.

[myth buster]

That was foolish how they didn't even try. Then again, they might have been afraid of friendly fire or doing something really stupid like they did in the Buu saga. Oh, New York Man, some details are wrong, Trunks rejected it, and Goten did the explaination. I know, GOten and Gohan look a lot alike, but it was Goten.

[New York Man]

Thanks for the corrections.

[94_BLOCK]

i think that episode was a so-so the action was not there. they made Gogeta to dramatic taking his time while showing off his new power when they could of finish shenron off.
maybe they used a lot of power on that attack where shenron got scared but was only a joke

[darkinvader]

That was explained though.
Well, it was a pretty crappy explanation.

Fusion makes the body really durable. Look at Gotenks, he was able to keep SSJ3 for the full 30 minutes, and thats a lot of energy, while Goku was only able to hold it for a much shorter amount of time.

GT Goku, though, could hold SSJ4 for a while, which was much more powerful than SSJ3 according to GT, and I'm sure Vegeta wouldn't have a problem holding it either. Two bodys durable enough to hold SSJ4 for a while+fusion= hella durable bodys.

All running out of energy should have done is made Gogeta go to base form, not defuse. When they defused, they where still SSJ4 AND had enough energy to take Omega, cause Goku said he could.

Well, that's GT for ya, bunch of plotholes.

[94_BLOCK]

yup GT has a lot of plotholes thats why to me it shouldn't have been made in the first place because TOEI was changing some of the story

[Mystic Gohan]

Actually you're wrong because by going Super sayian 3, Gotenks fusion time was shortened.

[CBASS]

Well yeah, and---Bill Cosby: Gotenks being a kid and all, he had a lot of energy and blind fury. Yes he did.
Me again:And I wont disagree, GT is the king of plot holes. Dragon Ball Great Tradegy, thats what DBGT is. But I watch it as a old DB fan.]

Cosby on kids say the darndest things: And our guest today is GOTENKS!!
Gotenks: thanx, I just wanna say that I beat pokemon in 2 SECONDS!!!!!!!!!!
Cosby: POKEMAN !!!!!!!!!! OHH POKEMAN, WITH THE POKE AND THE MAN AND PIKA PIKA YATTASJHDKJDHLIJGHLIUGLHGHFVKUGFKJGKJFGKUTDFUGYKUF YKTFGHFG****KJHGHGJHGHGKJHLKJHHHKJHKHTHISJKHLKJISH LKJHGAYLKJLGBYAHHKJ******G----
Gotenks:* VICTORY CANNON*!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Hemostrat]

Actually you're wrong because by going Super sayian 3, Gotenks fusion time was shortened.


Except... you know, it didn't. o.o

[brndnfrtg]

SSJ 4 uses up alot more power then SSJ 3 does.Thats why they had only 15 mins.

[exodia424]

what boggles my mind is why you GT haters even post on GT topics?? kind of an oxi-moron is it not? dont give me any crap about all the new topics being GT, start your own then eh? i mean i know GT is no where near as good as DBZ, thats a known fact, but in reality it is not that horrible

as to the episode, it was average, its always fun to watch someone totally dominate thier opponent, i think they should have made it into two episodes with some play fighting like vegito and super buu even though that was more, they should have gone into some scenes of high intense super fast combat

as to durable bodies, gotenks lasted the whole time because his power level was conceivable, meaning there was someone stronger or near his power level(mystic gohan, super buu, goku a little weaker), with gogeta his power is so huge that they couldnt stay fused for the whole time, he wasnt even rivaled by omega shenron so his power is only eclipsed by that of the spirit bomb that killed omega, just a theory on why the fusion did not last the whole time

now some people would argue "no all fusions last 30 minutes" well do you really think the people that taught it to goku (in the otherworld right? my memory is foggy) got to test it on such high power levels....HELL NO!!!! so how could they know if it ALWAYS lasted thirty minutes, im guessing at a certain point they start decreasing in time the more powerful the fusion is, but again this is all only speculation

[darkinvader]

Well, you see, the man who made Dragonball said that
fusions last 30 minutes, so they should last 30 minutes.
Saying otherwise is trying to justify filler.

If they ran out of energy then they should
have just become base Gogeta, not defuse AND
still be at SSJ4 with enough power to kill Omega,
because it sounds like they still have their
energy to me.

That's why I think GT= teh poopoo :/

[exodia424]

of course goku and vegeta still have energy, they are not two beings fused they become one being, gogeta ran out of energy....not goku and vegeta, goku said it lasted that long, unless in some statement akira toriyama said it in person always lasts 30 minutes then we cant be for sure, since a fusion that powerful hasnt been formed using the fusion dance anything could have happened

i respect your opinion but i still dont see why you post in GT topics if you hate it so much, just so you can say GT is the poopoo......rather pointless

[darkinvader]

of course goku and vegeta still have energy, they are not two beings fused they become one being, gogeta ran out of energy....not goku and vegeta, goku said it lasted that long, unless in some statement akira toriyama said it in person always lasts 30 minutes then we cant be for sure, since a fusion that powerful hasnt been formed using the fusion dance anything could have happened

i respect your opinion but i still dont see why you post in GT topics if you hate it so much, just so you can say GT is the poopoo......rather pointless
How I see it, because Gogeta's a combination of Goku and Vegeta, when they fused their energy combined plus fusion bonuses. If you go by GT logic then it should look something like this- 40(Goku)+40(Vegeta)+20(bonus)=100
They used all their energy up (Gogeta-100(energy) should= 0(Goku)+0(Vegeta), so how did they still have enough to keep their SSJ4? Remember, Gogeta is a combination of Goku+Vegeta, so if Gogeta has no energy, neither should Goku or Vegeta.

From what we know about the situation (Fusion lasts 30 min., Goku said they ran out of energy), then, logically, he should have become base Gogeta, not defuse.

The reason I posted was because I saw the episode and voiced my opinion, like why I think their fusion idea was crappy.

[myth buster]

Because fusions don't transfer all of their injury or fatigue onto their components when the fusion breaks.
As for my theory, when Gotenks used too much power, he turned normal; if that happened to Gogeta, it could have broken the fusion by itself because the components are no longer compatable. Then they would be free to imediatly return to near maximum, hence we see SS4 Goku right away.

[Mystic Gohan]

My guess is that you must burn enough energy to keep the fusion up, so while at a higher transformation your energy burns much quicker so that is why it got shortened.

[Hemostrat]

Because fusions don't transfer all of their injury or fatigue onto their components when the fusion breaks.
As for my theory, when Gotenks used too much power, he turned normal; if that happened to Gogeta, it could have broken the fusion by itself because the components are no longer compatable. Then they would be free to imediatly return to near maximum, hence we see SS4 Goku right away.


... Gotenks only reverted back to normal when his 30 minutes was almost up. And you know what happened when the fusion ended? Goten and Trunks were NORMAL. Not SSJ. And fusions do teansfer injury. When Gotenks got his ass beaten by Fat Buu, he de-fused and Goten and Trunks were injured.

It makes no sense as to why they de-fused. If you're starting to run out of energy, or you get tired, you pant. Its like if you're weight training and you get tired, you can't keep doing the weights. You stop and you have less energy then when you started.

It just doesn't make sense.

Yes, I don't like GT, but I'm not one of the idiot flamers that say it doesn't exist, but I do believe it is filler. So my opinion might be biased, and it might not. Personally I don't think it is, since I'd do the same thing if this was in Z.

And BTW, AT said in the manga that it was 30 minutes. Fusion lasts for 30 minutes. AT = God. So don't question god. ;)

[Kruptis]

Fusion has always been tech of balance. I believe they defused becuase the power difference between Goku and Vegeta. True they were both SSJ4 but as anyone knows in DB...Goku is always the strongest. I believe Vegeta couldn't maintain the balance between them, and that is why they defused.

[darkinvader]

Fusion has always been tech of balance. I believe they defused becuase the power difference between Goku and Vegeta. True they were both SSJ4 but as anyone knows in DB...Goku is always the strongest. I believe Vegeta couldn't maintain the balance between them, and that is why they defused.
They have to be of equal power when they fuse or it won't work. Besides, when fused, they're one person, so one can't be weaker than the other.