Blame that Ban List!!! Really?

[LightGem&Blade]

That Ban List just screwed up my deck...
The Ban List took my signature Combo away...
The Ban List, I have a real gripe with Konami...

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Maybe you aren't that good of Duelist!!!

Ok, I had to illustrate all the excuses that people bring up every September and March. Yes, I'm not always excited or in 100% agreement with what is and isn't on the new Death List of some Deck Ideas, or the Creation of a whole New Deck Theme produced by the Ban List that comes twice a year.

But isn't that what makes Yugioh...Yugioh?

This card game is so successful on a Global scale because it causes you to challenge your own perception, skills, and strategies constantly. The real question that should be addressed, if you are planning to overthrow the Ban List in a Shadow Duel:

How much to you want to play the card game?

But then again, that argument has resurfaced time and time again.

The Ban List has always been under heavy "scrutiny" yet the card that seems to own the discussion along with several others is Witch of Black Forest. I mean come on, Sangan is out why not bring her back? Then again, Mystic Tomato currently sees no restriction and is in some cases, He is far more effective than Tour Guide.

With the Current Ban List released this past September, there were a lot of questions if Duelist Planet would be ushered into a new regime. Spirt Reaper was lifted off completely. Monster Reborn and Heavy Storm both made come backs. Swords of Revealing Light resurged back to two.

Yet, what about cards that people tend to overlook or "dictate" that have no more value.

Jinzo

Yeah, I did go there. I followed a lot of people who griped that this card should be banned forever back in 2004. Enough Said.

My point? Simple. I'm not a Herald of New Tidings and am not writing this to become famous, more popular, or hit "the big time."

And NO, NO, NO!!! I'm not implying that no one should or shouldn't discuss the Ban List on Pojo or anywhere else and you can look at my Location to see that I'm not very happy with the Ban List.

However, if you can't build a good deck period...blame yourself!!! After all, it is ThanksGiving and be thankful that you aren't being tortured like Joey Wheeler like he was against Marik!!!!! (Although, I must say, the Light Show had me entertained)

[Rob_Lucci_CP8]

2 Notes:

-Tomato being better in situations is not at all comparable to the wide scale Tour Guide is useful in.
-Monster Reborn has been back for over a year, not just this september. Black Luster and Heavy Storm were brought back.

I don't exactly know what the point of most of this is. Banlists naturally kill and revive decks constantly in the competitive realm and the smarter members of places of F/L are perceptive enough to get cards like Swords and Reaper are in our current era harmless.

Also, cards over different era have different effects. Phantom Darkness and post changed the game completely. In today's game, something like Goat Control (at full strength), once a Tier 0 deck, wouldn't make Top 32 of the next YCS due to speed and mechanic changes it would be unable to adapt too.

At the same time, Black Luster Soldier - Envoy of the Beginning has become a game decider and the format has partly turned into Turbo Trishula/Black Luster and win.

To be fair to people who blame the list for deaths of decks, you couldn't have exactly called Zombies playable after the March 2010 metagame nuke and people complaining about how harsh Konami was on it were justified. Same with the arguable overkill to Lightsworn.

[mudkip66]

Konami very rarely "kills" decks they make them less useful (tier 2,3)

[LightGem&Blade]

Most of the cards I brought up are irrelevant in Today's Sanctioned Tournaments, as I'm sure you both know.

I am very excited for new deck themes, ideas, and strategies that will Surface in the very near Future. Those who Duel and keep on Dueling while investing Time, Money, and Energy into this game will not be dissappointed!!!

[TC X0 Lt 0X]

That Ban List just screwed up my deck...
The Ban List took my signature Combo away...
The Ban List, I have a real gripe with Konami...

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Maybe you aren't that good of Duelist!!!

Ok, I had to illustrate all the excuses that people bring up every September and March. Yes, I'm not always excited or in 100% agreement with what is and isn't on the new Death List of some Deck Ideas, or the Creation of a whole New Deck Theme produced by the Ban List that comes twice a year.

But isn't that what makes Yugioh...Yugioh?

This card game is so successful on a Global scale because it causes you to challenge your own perception, skills, and strategies constantly. The real question that should be addressed, if you are planning to overthrow the Ban List in a Shadow Duel:

How much to you want to play the card game?

But then again, that argument has resurfaced time and time again.

The Ban List has always been under heavy "scrutiny" yet the card that seems to own the discussion along with several others is Witch of Black Forest. I mean come on, Sangan is out why not bring her back? Then again, Mystic Tomato currently sees no restriction and is in some cases, He is far more effective than Tour Guide.

With the Current Ban List released this past September, there were a lot of questions if Duelist Planet would be ushered into a new regime. Spirt Reaper was lifted off completely. Monster Reborn and Heavy Storm both made come backs. Swords of Revealing Light resurged back to two.

Yet, what about cards that people tend to overlook or "dictate" that have no more value.

Jinzo

Yeah, I did go there. I followed a lot of people who griped that this card should be banned forever back in 2004. Enough Said.

My point? Simple. I'm not a Herald of New Tidings and am not writing this to become famous, more popular, or hit "the big time."

And NO, NO, NO!!! I'm not implying that no one should or shouldn't discuss the Ban List on Pojo or anywhere else and you can look at my Location to see that I'm not very happy with the Ban List.

However, if you can't build a good deck period...blame yourself!!! After all, it is ThanksGiving and be thankful that you aren't being tortured like Joey Wheeler like he was against Marik!!!!! (Although, I must say, the Light Show had me entertained)

I stopped right around thar.

[Mr Hyena]

Dear god...the opening post is so utterly dumb.

[I Watch Television]

Meh, the advance list is just as broken as the traditional one yet people still complain but if you don't like the format just build an advance format OTK or FTK and then just troll your way to victory.

Both formats suck so who cares anyway, just play what you want.

[Zyle777]

I always figured the ban list was just there to keep tournament-winning decks from washing over more duelists. I loves playing me some matches against the same three decks over and over again, yep.
Though it's always nice to look at the cards on it, point out one and ask "Why is this one here?"

"Butterfly Dagger - Elma" , this is what made me ask first, by the way. Heh.

[Rob_Lucci_CP8]

Meh, the advance list is just as broken as the traditional one yet people still complain but if you don't like the format just build an advance format OTK or FTK and then just troll your way to victory.

Both formats suck so who cares anyway, just play what you want.

I fail to see how multi-turned games are equal to FTK/OTK format.

Also nice flaming in your sig bro.

[mudkip66]

I would love to troll my way to victory...................

[BLS-EOTB <3]

The opening of the OP's post makes this look like the worst thread on pojo.

[mudkip66]

The Ban List, I have a real gripe with Konami...

Lol show me someone who has posted that

[I Watch Television]

I fail to see how multi-turned games are equal to FTK/OTK format.
Lol the advance format is't much better than the traditional format. You can take the best advance format deck and any non-OTK, FTK, Lockdown traditional deck and the traditional one would lose out.

Traditional only wins when the player uses OTKs, FTKs and Lockdowns but without that they would still lose out to those stupid synchro spam decks unless they run a tradtional version of synchro spam and I'm sure alot of them don't even want to. The extra deck needs to be reworked for the game to be more balanced.

New extra deck you can have:
Fusions - up to 30 cards
synchros - up to 5 cards
Exceeds - up to 15 cards

[Supremeking_Judai]

You're really bad at this game if you can't see why Mystic Tomato is far less superior than Tour Guide. Tomato can't give you a free Sangan and it can't make you a rank 3 exceed.

Witch of the Black Forest is banned because it can search all the dangerous cards that Sangan can't get.

And Jinzo? Jinzo is so bad lol.

There will always be people who disagree with the list. But discussing it isn't going to change it. People need to learn to suck it up and adapt or don't play. People who always complain that the top cards are expensive shouldn't be playing this game. If you're not going to invest time and money into Yugioh, then don't play. It's a high maintenance game and a lot of people don't understand that. They whine and whine and blame Konami for the overpriced cards. It's not their fault. They have to print chase cards. If everything was printed common, I'm pretty sure half the people that play this game would quit. You would see all the same decks, card by card, because everything is so easily obtainable. It won't be a Trading Card Game anymore, it would just be a card game.

[Gaspar]

But isn't that what makes Yugioh...Yugioh?
What makes YGO "YGO"?

This card game is so successful on a Global scale because it causes you to challenge your own perception, skills, and strategies constantly.
You want to get sigged? Because this is high octane fail.

How much to you want to play the card game?
Those who want to play the game usually want it to not be focused around a pile of cards that cost more than the rent of a house.

With the Current Ban List released this past September, there were a lot of questions if Duelist Planet would be ushered into a new regime. Spirt Reaper was lifted off completely. Monster Reborn and Heavy Storm both made come backs. Swords of Revealing Light resurged back to two.
No one cares about neither Reaper nor Swords. Reborn is back since September 2010 even though it should have not returned, and Heavy should not have left either. inb4HeavyStormthreadderailmentbroughtbyavarrs

Yet, what about cards that people tend to overlook or "dictate" that have no more value.

Jinzo

Yeah, I did go there. I followed a lot of people who griped that this card should be banned forever back in 2004. Enough Said.
Remember me how was the game at that time...

However, if you can't build a good deck period...blame yourself!!!
Must... resist... the urge... to flame you... for this...

After all, it is ThanksGiving and be thankful that you aren't being tortured like Joey Wheeler like he was against Marik!!!!! (Although, I must say, the Light Show had me entertained)
inb4sirdragonite...

[I Watch Television]

People who always complain that the top cards are expensive shouldn't be playing this game. If you're not going to invest time and money into Yugioh, then don't play. It's a high maintenance game and a lot of people don't understand that. They whine and whine and blame Konami for the overpriced cards. It's not their fault. They have to print chase cards. If everything was printed common, I'm pretty sure half the people that play this game would quit. You would see all the same decks, card by card, because everything is so easily obtainable. It won't be a Trading Card Game anymore, it would just be a card game.
This is just so wrong and stupid to begin with and whoever thinks like this needs to be punched in the face.

Rich players aren't any better than the average player and saying "anyone who complains that they have to wait 2+ years for a reprint of a $200 card should just quit" just makes you sound like a whiny rich kid who complains about everything its like saying "I don't want my opponent to use a deck I can beat so i'll throw it away and force3 him to use something that I can easily beat".

Expensive cards can be added to packs but no rarity changes for the original 80 cards that were already in there, look at fragment of greed in japan it was a common in usa its a secret? and why should it be? the extra 20 cards should be secret not ******* fragment of greed and its this attitude that konami usa has that makes players complain. I don't give a **** about the TCg anymore since its ****ed up so much and have been playing the OCg for 2+ years already and I like it much better.

[Supremeking_Judai]

This is just so wrong and stupid to begin with and whoever thinks like this needs to be punched in the face.

Rich players aren't any better than the average player and saying "anyone who complains that they have to wait 2+ years for a reprint of a $200 card should just quit" just makes you sound like a whiny rich kid who complains about everything its like saying "I don't want my opponent to use a deck I can beat so i'll throw it away and force3 him to use something that I can easily beat".

Expensive cards can be added to packs but no rarity changes for the original 80 cards that were already in there, look at fragment of greed in japan it was a common in usa its a secret? and why should it be? the extra 20 cards should be secret not ******* fragment of greed and its this attitude that konami usa has that makes players complain. I don't give a **** about the TCg anymore since its ****ed up so much and have been playing the OCg for 2+ years already and I like it much better.

If you want to get into competitive Yugioh, don't expect to not spend a good chunk of money and time. People complain too much. They should know what they're getting into before playing.

TCG and OCG are two completely different games with two different metas, of course there should be rarity changes, making the good cards "Chase" cards.

And just to add, I'm not a rich kid, I don't even own a set of Tour Guides. But I don't complain about it, I deal with it or ask a friend to borrow them when I need it. If players can't learn to do that, or learn to adapt, I highly advise them to quit. Yugioh is an expensive hobby. Sure reprints are good for everyone, I'm not saying they're not, but you work with what you have. Konami is a company, they have to make chase cards. There are always people will keep buying X amount of boxes to try to acquire certain chase cards and Konami knows this.

[Zyle777]

What makes YGO "YGO"?


You want to get sigged? Because this is high octane fail.


Those who want to play the game usually want it to not be focused around a pile of cards that cost more than the rent of a house.


No one cares about neither Reaper nor Swords. Reborn is back since September 2010 even though it should have not returned, and Heavy should not have left either. inb4HeavyStormthreadderailmentbroughtbyavarrs


Remember me how was the game at that time...


Must... resist... the urge... to flame you... for this...


inb4sirdragonite...



Use your aggressive feelings, boy...
Let the hate flow through you.

[I Watch Television]

If you want to get into competitive Yugioh, don't expect to not spend a good chunk of money and time. People complain too much. They should know what they're getting into before playing.

TCG and OCG are two completely different games with two different metas, of course there should be rarity changes, making the good cards "Chase" cards.

And just to add, I'm not a rich kid, I don't even own a set of Tour Guides. But I don't complain about it, I deal with it or ask a friend to borrow them when I need it. If players can't learn to do that, or learn to adapt, I highly advise them to quit. Yugioh is an expensive hobby. Sure reprints are good for everyone, I'm not saying they're not, but you work with what you have. Konami is a company, they have to make chase cards. There are always people will keep buying X amount of boxes to try to acquire certain chase cards and Konami knows this.
If your smart about your investments then you don't need to spend alot and still be competitive and doing simple things like going after the lowest rarity available at the time will help reduce the need to spend ridiculous amounts but people don't like to have to spend $200 for 1 piece of cardboard.

Rarity bumps on the original set of 80 cards is wrong and must stop with no excuses while the usual 20 additional cards added in the TCg can all be secret for all I care since. Chase cards are fine as long as they aren't from the original 80 card set.

Everyone is aware that Konami is a company but how they handle it is just horrible at the moment and its this attitude that makes alot of people complain and when they pretend to listen they do just to opposite of what we want which is like they want to drive away they're fanbase instead of being nice to it. You don't like people to complain but when there is just too many things they don't like then they will complain and the only way to get them to stop is to give them the things they want so they will stop.

[Rob_Lucci_CP8]

Lol the advance format is't much better than the traditional format. You can take the best advance format deck and any non-OTK, FTK, Lockdown traditional deck and the traditional one would lose out.

Traditional only wins when the player uses OTKs, FTKs and Lockdowns but without that they would still lose out to those stupid synchro spam decks unless they run a tradtional version of synchro spam and I'm sure alot of them don't even want to. The extra deck needs to be reworked for the game to be more balanced.

New extra deck you can have:
Fusions - up to 30 cards
synchros - up to 5 cards
Exceeds - up to 15 cards

I actually play Traditional with reworked meta decksd with loads of banned cards. If you go second with a Saber deck in Tradi, you'll probably win that turn or come dangerous close, and if not that turn within 2-3 you'll win and put your opponent drastically far behind you in advantage. This i just with Sabers, keep in mind, DAD/CHaos decks in Tradoitional will win the first chance they get to inflict damage.

Advanced Format is insane, but it takes at least a few turns. Tradi decks would kick the asses of Advanced Format decks in an instant, especially if Imperial Order is drawn. It's a baseline rule that whoever draws Imperial first wins.

I mean, really, baseline Traditional decks aren't "OTKs" on purpose, but almost all of the time draw cards and turn of advantage leads to that so, so quickly. If I open Duo, you've lost. If I open Pot of Greed, you've lost, etc. OTK or not, Traditional decks have the advantage of their staples vs. ours. I can take a basic Hand Control deck from Traditional that DOESN"t win turns 1-2 and it will still beat any meta deck because it has Reapers/Crush Card/Hand Killing Trio/Yata/etc that gain loads of advantage.

[Sarcasmic]

That Ban List just screwed up my deck...
The Ban List took my signature Combo away...
The Ban List, I have a real gripe with Konami...

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Maybe you aren't that good of Duelist!!!

Ok, I had to illustrate all the excuses that people bring up every September and March. Yes, I'm not always excited or in 100% agreement with what is and isn't on the new Death List of some Deck Ideas, or the Creation of a whole New Deck Theme produced by the Ban List that comes twice a year.

But isn't that what makes Yugioh...Yugioh?

This card game is so successful on a Global scale because it causes you to challenge your own perception, skills, and strategies constantly. The real question that should be addressed, if you are planning to overthrow the Ban List in a Shadow Duel:

How much to you want to play the card game?

But then again, that argument has resurfaced time and time again.

The Ban List has always been under heavy "scrutiny" yet the card that seems to own the discussion along with several others is Witch of Black Forest. I mean come on, Sangan is out why not bring her back? Then again, Mystic Tomato currently sees no restriction and is in some cases, He is far more effective than Tour Guide.

With the Current Ban List released this past September, there were a lot of questions if Duelist Planet would be ushered into a new regime. Spirt Reaper was lifted off completely. Monster Reborn and Heavy Storm both made come backs. Swords of Revealing Light resurged back to two.

Yet, what about cards that people tend to overlook or "dictate" that have no more value.

Jinzo

Yeah, I did go there. I followed a lot of people who griped that this card should be banned forever back in 2004. Enough Said.

My point? Simple. I'm not a Herald of New Tidings and am not writing this to become famous, more popular, or hit "the big time."

And NO, NO, NO!!! I'm not implying that no one should or shouldn't discuss the Ban List on Pojo or anywhere else and you can look at my Location to see that I'm not very happy with the Ban List.

However, if you can't build a good deck period...blame yourself!!! After all, it is ThanksGiving and be thankful that you aren't being tortured like Joey Wheeler like he was against Marik!!!!! (Although, I must say, the Light Show had me entertained)

thank god someone besides me is thinking this=]=]

[Supremeking_Judai]

If your smart about your investments then you don't need to spend alot and still be competitive and doing simple things like going after the lowest rarity available at the time will help reduce the need to spend ridiculous amounts but people don't like to have to spend $200 for 1 piece of cardboard.

Rarity bumps on the original set of 80 cards is wrong and must stop with no excuses while the usual 20 additional cards added in the TCg can all be secret for all I care since. Chase cards are fine as long as they aren't from the original 80 card set.

Everyone is aware that Konami is a company but how they handle it is just horrible at the moment and its this attitude that makes alot of people complain and when they pretend to listen they do just to opposite of what we want which is like they want to drive away they're fanbase instead of being nice to it. You don't like people to complain but when there is just too many things they don't like then they will complain and the only way to get them to stop is to give them the things they want so they will stop.

The fact that Yugioh is expensive to get into competitively makes it hard to spend as little as you can. I mean sure if you have an extra deck already, I see your point. But you can tell Konami is trying to do what they can to make everything even as well as keeping up with "chase" cards. They're trying to please both parties (The ones that like to make money off Yugioh by making cards like rabbit and the ones that want to play casual by making reprints easily accessible.)

The rarity bump issue is opinion, I guess.

I think Konami is handling it fine. We're getting TONS of reprints that UDE wouldn't do for us. They don't make staple cards (CCV, Stein) prize cards. AND when they do have prize cards, they're usually reprinted within a year.

[I Watch Television]

The fact that Yugioh is expensive to get into competitively makes it hard to spend as little as you can. I mean sure if you have an extra deck already, I see your point. But you can tell Konami is trying to do what they can to make everything even as well as keeping up with "chase" cards. They're trying to please both parties (The ones that like to make money off Yugioh by making cards like rabbit and the ones that want to play casual by making reprints easily accessible.)

The rarity bump issue is opinion, I guess.

I think Konami is handling it fine. We're getting TONS of reprints that UDE wouldn't do for us. They don't make staple cards (CCV, Stein) prize cards. AND when they do have prize cards, they're usually reprinted within a year.
But the party that wants to make money off the game shouldn't need to be catered to in the first place by rarity bumping the core set, I never said don't make any secret rares but I said no rarity bumping the core set of 80 because you then get a average card that is nice to own like fragment of greed which is alright but not must have too expensive when it shouldn't be in the first place.

The game needs players not individual people who like to profit from the game since Konami is already making money then who gives a **** about them since they're not helping the market anymore than the shop that sells singles.

Reprints are fine as long as they're 3 months from its original release so Konami still makes money but individuals don't profit for a long time and need to either stop and play the game or just stop trying to make money from a card game.

I actually play Traditional with reworked meta decksd with loads of banned cards. If you go second with a Saber deck in Tradi, you'll probably win that turn or come dangerous close, and if not that turn within 2-3 you'll win and put your opponent drastically far behind you in advantage. This i just with Sabers, keep in mind, DAD/CHaos decks in Tradoitional will win the first chance they get to inflict damage.

Advanced Format is insane, but it takes at least a few turns. Tradi decks would kick the asses of Advanced Format decks in an instant, especially if Imperial Order is drawn. It's a baseline rule that whoever draws Imperial first wins.

I mean, really, baseline Traditional decks aren't "OTKs" on purpose, but almost all of the time draw cards and turn of advantage leads to that so, so quickly. If I open Duo, you've lost. If I open Pot of Greed, you've lost, etc. OTK or not, Traditional decks have the advantage of their staples vs. ours. I can take a basic Hand Control deck from Traditional that DOESN"t win turns 1-2 and it will still beat any meta deck because it has Reapers/Crush Card/Hand Killing Trio/Yata/etc that gain loads of advantage.
Yes traditional has better staples but without them then the deck would fall apart this is why I hate the TCG advanced format because only the rich can win or its usually go first = win while in traditional anyone has a chance since its whoever draws X first which could be either player.

I play TCG traditional with friends and our games aren't finished as quickly as they would be in TCG advanced, although the outcome can be unfair at times since its just lucky but I think thats more fun than going second and losing.

[Rob_Lucci_CP8]

The point here I'm trying to make is that the idea is the banned cards from traditional format are what make every basic Tradi deck, even non FTKs, miles better than Advanced Format. They are faster, more devastating, and their staples are miles better to Advanced. In advanced, losing within 2 turns is your opponent lucksackuing the hell out of you. In traditional, it is the standard, or decks with longer games played out are the BRUTAL hand control decks that all but Yata-Lock you out of advantage.

Honestly, going second last format was far more unforgiving last format than it is this format. Neither Tradi/Advanced are balanced, but we should be fully thankful our meta isn't like Tradi. The idea that it's far more balanced is saying a huge lot.

[khau]

BLS IS back, screw blackwings, screw six sams, screw infernities!

[StrappingYoungLaDD]

Yes traditional has better staples but without them then the deck would fall apart this is why I hate the TCG advanced format because only the rich can win or its usually go first = win while in traditional anyone has a chance since its whoever draws X first which could be either player.

I play TCG traditional with friends and our games aren't finished as quickly as they would be in TCG advanced, although the outcome can be unfair at times since its just lucky but I think thats more fun than going second and losing.

Huh? Are you playing traditional wrong? Traditional chaos has probably about 7-10 cards that are auto win buttons. Its absolutely devastating how fast tradional can put 8000 on the board or at least get a game ending amount of card advantage.

[icecreamsandwich]

Mystic Tomato currently sees no restriction and is in some cases, He is far more effective than Tour Guide.

If I knew how to make a signature, this would be in it.